[quote]=singpeace;63963447]Children are born with a sin nature; meaning it is in their nature to sin. However, until a child is old enough to understand what sin is and its consequences, he/she is considered blameless and innocent. So while we all are born with a sin nature, little children and babies are considered to have no sin held against them until they are come to the full age of understanding. The age of understanding differs from child to child.
The following scriptures indicate that the kingdom of heaven is full of little children.
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Then he said, “I tell you the truth, unless you turn from your sins and become like little children, you will never get into the Kingdom of Heaven.
They asked Jesus, “Do you hear what these children are saying?” “Yes,” Jesus replied. “Haven’t you ever read the Scriptures? For they say, ‘You have taught children and infants to give you praise.’”
Then he took the children in his arms and placed his hands on their heads and blessed them.
” And the streets of the city shall be full of boys and girls playing in the streets thereof.”
Moreover, your little ones who you said would become a prey, and your sons, who this day have no knowledge of good or evil, shall enter there, and I will give it to them and they shall possess it.[/quote]
responce by Patrick Miron [working4christ2]
My DEAR Friend In Christ, Have you ever been exposed to [emphasis, not shouting here] THE ONE INFALLIBL RULE FOR RIGHT UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE?
HERE IT IS:
“NEVER, EVER, CAN. MAY OR DOES ONE
OR INVALIDATE ANOTHER
WHERETHIS EVEN THE SLIGHEST POSSIBILITY [ITS NOT!] SUCH WOULD INVALIDATE, AND RENDER THE ENTIRE BIBLE WORTHLESS TO TEACH, LEARN OR SHARE ONES FAITH.”
From a mans limited ability to fully understand God; this MAY seem to be logical. That said; it clearly i not what the bible and God teaches.
Isaiah 55: 6-10 “Seek ye the Lord, while he may be found: call upon him, while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unjust man his thoughts, and let him return to the Lord, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God: for he is bountiful to forgive. For my thoughts are not your thoughts: nor your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts. And as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return no more thither, but soak the earth, and water it, and make it to spring, and give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater”
Because God “does not change” Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord, and I change not“
Yahweh Commanded Circumcision: WHY?
Genesis 17: 6-15 “And I will make thee increase, exceedingly, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee, and between thy seed after thee in their generations, by a perpetual covenant: to be a God to thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give to thee, and to thy seed, the land of thy sojournment, all the land of Chanaan for a perpetual possession, and I will be their God. Again God said to Abraham: And thou therefore shalt keep my covenant, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant which you shall observe, between me and you, and thy seed after thee: All the male kind of you shall be circumcised: [FYI: women were is a sense “grandfathered into this through their fathers] And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, that it may be for a sign of the covenant between me and you. [ALL & Every] An infant of eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations: he that is born in the house, as well as the bought servant shall be circumcised, and whosoever is not of your stock: And my covenant shall be in your flesh for a perpetual covenant. The male, whose flesh of his foreskin shall not be circumcised, that soul shall be destroyed out of his people: because he hath broken my covenant. God said also to Abraham: Sarai thy wife thou shalt not call Sarai, but Sara” [WHY? Because like baptism this was the evidence God required as proof of being numbered the “chosen people.” & and like baptism was essentail for their salvation.]
So clearly ; God who “does NOT change“, extends this practice. Christ in a real sense renews the New Covenant in a manner, similar but now expanded and PERFECTED as is the proper Role of the New Testament, through the Sacrament of Christian Baptism, which he personally instituted and COMMANDS FOR ALL, as a critical element of ones personal salvation.
Just as “infants” where COMMANDED to be circumcised; so too infants under the New Covenant too MUST BE; are COMMANDEDTO BE Baptized. SAY’S WHO?
Say’s Jesus Christ in person:
John 3: 3-5 “Jesus answered, and said to him: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.  Nicodemus saith to him: How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother’ s womb, and be born again?  Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man [meaning every person, both benders, and age does not matter or exclude anyone!] be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he [THEY; No-ONE] cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
Matthew 28:16-20 “And the eleven disciples [Apostles: SEE And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; [MEANS EVERYONE W/O exclusion] baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”
Ezekiel 36:25-26“I shall pour clean water over you and you will be cleansed; I shall cleanse you of all your filth and of all your foul idols. I shall give you a new heart, and put a new spirit in you instead…” –
Rom.2: 8,25 “but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury. .. Circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law; but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision”
John 3: 5 & 36 “Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.”  He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.”
Mark.16: 16 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Acts: 16: 14-15 “And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, one that worshipped God, did hear: whose heart the Lord opened to attend to those things which were said by Paul. And when she was baptized, and her [ENTIRE} household, she besought us, saying: If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house, and abide there.”
1 Corinthians 1:16 “And I baptized also the [ENTIRE] household of Stephanus; besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.”
1 Corinthians 12:13 “For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free; and in one Spirit we have all been made to drink.”
WHY MUST in an absolute sense
, Christian baptism be essentially necessary for EVERYONE regardless of age?
Because a man is not simply born; we ALONE ARE CREATED in the very image and likeness of our God. Genesis 1: 26-27
All of humanity has a shared sinful nature by CAUSE and the path of “Original Sin.” It is this sin which effectively is the one unforgivable sin [Denial of God… Mt. 12:32]. And this sin LEADING to man’s natural and born state of having a “fallen nature.”
4Ezra.14 “and put away from you mortal thoughts; cast away from you the burdens of man, and divest yourself now of your weak nature,” Esth.16: 6 “when these men by the false trickery of their evil natures beguile the sincere good will of their sovereigns.
Eph.4:  Put off your old nature which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful lusts,  and put on the new nature, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness”
A second reason
is that in order to get into God’s Presence [the Beatific Vision], one must emulate God’s own perfection. Matthew 5:48 “Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.” And Baptism ALONE and by itself can and DOES remove both the Stain of Original Sin and all of its penalties.
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In a real sense this is a God imposed “Imputed Unrighteousness” by virtue of the FACT of being Created as were Adam and Eve by the same God for the same purpose: SEE Isaiah 43 verses 7 &21
God Bless you all,