Satan’s Desciples [the secular Press]


 

“Satan’s Disciples: Are many, varied and widely spread; but there is Single Category Leadership

Or, is a partial truth,  [still] thee truth? A critical and essential review of the World’s Secular Press”

By Patrick Miron

“Pope Francis Reaches Out to Gays:”

‘Who Am I to Judge?’
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AUTHORS note

: While showing only one example, it nevertheless typifies the “take and slant” of the Worlds secular press on this issue and the bias against the Catholic Church.

“A remarkably candid Pope Francis struck a conciliatory stance toward gays Monday, saying, “Who am I to judge?” when it comes to the sexual orientation of priests.

“We shouldn’t marginalize people for this. They must be integrated into society,” Francis said during an extraordinary 82-minute exchange with reporters aboard his plane returning from his first papal trip, to celebrate World Youth Day in Brazil.

“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” the Pope asked.

Francis’ first news conference as Pope was wide-ranging and open, touching on everything from the greater role he believes women should have in the Catholic Church to the troubled Vatican Bank.”

Here’s the rest of the story from three Catholic sources: “ZENET”

http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=3vopfptlr9pm9#13072904

And an even more detailed report from CAN [“Catholic News Service” 

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1303260.htm

And fuller yet from Catholic News Agency: 

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pope-homosexuals-who-am-i-judge

“Among other points, Pope Francis:

Replied when asked about the Vatican’s alleged “gay lobby” that while a lobby might be an issue, he doesn’t have any problem with the inclination to homosexuality itself: “Who am I to judge them if they’re seeking the Lord in good faith?”

7 things you need to know about what Pope Francis said about gays

By James Akin Read more:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-what-pope-francis-said-about-gays#ixzz2aXW5DJxr

“The press is buzzing right now with claims that Pope Francis has taken a sharply different line than his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, on the subject of homosexuality.

Some are suggesting that the new pope has announced that “gay is okay.”

What did Pope Francis really say, and how unusual is it?

Here are 7 things to know and share . . .

1) Where did Pope Francis make these remarks?

He made them during an 80-minute interview with reporters aboard the plane returning from World Youth Day in Brazil.

2) What was he asked that led to the remarks?

We may not know exactly what the question was until a transcript is released, but apparently, he was asked about the reputed “gay lobby” at the Vatican.

3) What exactly did he say?

According to the best current accounts, he said:

There’s a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I’ve never seen it on the Vatican ID card.

When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized. The tendency [i.e., same-sex attraction] is not the problem … they’re our brothers.

UPDATE: Here is a fuller presentation of the exchange. Big hat tip to

Salt and Light!

The Question to Pope Francis from Ilse, a journalist on the Papal flight

Ilse: I would like to ask permission to pose a rather delicate question. Another image that went around the world is that of Monsignor Ricca and the news about his personal life. I would like to know, your Holiness, what will be done about this question. How should one deal with this question and how does your Holiness wish to deal with the whole question of the gay lobby?

The Pope’s Answer

Regarding the matter of Monsignor Ricca, I did what Canon Law required and did the required investigation. And from the investigation, we did not find anything corresponding to the accusations against him. We found none of that. That is the answer. But I would like to add one more thing to this: I see that so many times in the Church, apart from this case and also in this case, one looks for the “sins of youth,” for example, is it not thus?, And then these things are published. These things are not crimes. The crimes are something else: child abuse is a crime. But sins, if a person, or secular priest or a nun, has committed a sin and then that person experienced conversion, the Lord forgives and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is very important for our lives. When we go to confession and we truly say “I have sinned in this matter,” the Lord forgets and we do not have the right to not forget because we run the risk that the Lord will not forget our sins, eh? This is a danger. This is what is important: a theology of sin. So many times I think of St. Peter: he committed one of the worst sins denying Christ. And with this sin they made him Pope. We must think about fact often.

But returning to your question more concretely: in this case [Ricca] I did the required investigation and we found nothing. That is the first question. Then you spoke of the gay lobby. Agh… so much is written about the gay lobby. I have yet to find on a Vatican identity card the word gay. They say there are some gay people here. I think that when we encounter a gay person, we must make the distinction between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of a lobby, because lobbies are not good. They are bad. If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge that person? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this point beautifully but says, wait a moment, how does it say, it says, these persons must never be marginalized and “they must be integrated into society.”

The problem is not that one has this tendency; no, we must be brothers, this is the first matter. There is another problem, another one: the problem is to form a lobby of those who have this tendency, a lobby of the greedy people, a lobby of politicians, a lobby of Masons, so many lobbies. This is the most serious problem for me. And thank you so much for doing this question. Thank you very much!

4) What does this mean?

The first part of the statement seems to downplay the who “gay lobby” issue. He’s not denying that there is one there, but he’s suggesting that the talk is somewhat overblown.

He then explains his approach to dealing with gay people: He distinguishes between their “being gay” and “being part of a lobby.”

What he means by “being gay” is something he further unpacks.

In ordinary parlance, “being gay” can mean anything from having same-sex attraction to leading an active “gay lifestyle” to endorsing and advocating a pro-homosexual ideology. The last of these would be functioning as a member of a lobby, and he indicates that this is not what he is talking about.

He then describes those he is talking about as people who “accept the Lord and have goodwill.”

He then seems to further clarify who he is talking about by saying that “The tendency [i.e., same-sex attraction] is not the problem … they’re our brothers.”

Taking his statements together, what emerges is a portrait of individuals who have same-sex attraction but who nevertheless accept the Lord and have goodwill, as opposed to working to advance a pro-homosexual ideology.

This would definitely include people with same-sex attraction who strive to live chastely (even if they sometimes fail).

It also, possibly, could include individuals who are not living chastely but who are not actively lobbying a homosexual agenda. It would be nice if he’d said a little more to clarify the point further.”

5) What does he say about people in this category?

He says that he does not think he is in a position to judge them and that they should not be marginalized.

He also says that the mere tendency (same-sex attraction) “is not the problem,” and that “they’re our brothers.”

6) How new is this?

Not very.

Disclaiming a right to “judge” others is something that goes back to Jesus. It does not mean a failure to recognize the moral character of others’ actions, however.

One can form a moral appraisal that what someone else is doing is wrong (Jesus obviously does not forbid that) without having or showing malice toward them.

The statement that they should not be marginalized is similarly in keeping with the Holy See’s approach to the subject, as 1986 Vatican document On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons.

The statement that same-sex attraction “is not the problem,” when understood correctly, is also nothing new. “The problem,” as Pope Francis seems to here be understanding it, is going beyond merely having a sinful tendency–a temptation to which one is subject.

Obviously, temptations are problem, but if we resist temptation we do not sin. “The problem,” on this understanding, is giving into the temptation and sinning or–worse–building an ideology around the sin and trying to advocate the sin.

Finally, the statement that “they’re our brothers” is also no novelty. Christians, like everyone, have struggled with every sort of temptation all through history.

Same-sex attraction is just one temptation among numerous others, and the fact that a person suffers from this temptation no more deprives him of the status of being a brother in Christ than any other temptation does.

7) How different is any of this compared to Pope Benedict?

The press has been (as usual) trying to make unfavorable comparisons to Pope Benedit, noting that during his time the Holy See issued a document saying that those with deep-seated homosexual tendencies should not be ordained to the priesthood.

Pope Francis did not mention that document or its policy and so has done nothing different than Benedict there.

Neither are any of Francis’s remarks contrary to the approach Benedict took during his pontificate.

In fact, Benedict himself (as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) was the signer of the previosly-mentioned letter on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, as well as the follow-up document on non-discrimination regarding homosexual persons.

So, as usual, the press is painting a false picture by contrasting the “good” Francis and the “bad” Benedict.”

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Without any doubt, What the Pope said in its entirety is a VASTLY different message that the Secular Press desires the world to know. Their HATRED of the Catholic Church will be taken care of by God. But seek the truth WHERE the Truth MAY BE FOUND!

The News Media has made soooo much NOISE, that cardinal Dolan has made a clarification statement on the Popes statement. Here it is:

http://www.today.com/news/cardinal-dolan-popes-gay-remarks-we-can-judge-actions-not-6C10791364

“Pope Francis’ comments about gays may have signaled a change in tone within the Catholic Church, but they did not reflect a break in church policy, a leading American Catholic cleric said Tuesday.

The church teaches to treat everyone — including gays — with dignity, even if they do not approve of the relationships they have, said Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

“What the pope is saying is, don’t forget there’s another element to God’s teaching, namely that we treat everybody with dignity and respect, that we don’t judge their heart, that we love and respect them,”

he told TODAY’s Matt Lauer.”

A friend [echoing many others] has some concerns about our Pope Francis. What he say’s and how easily and often it is misunderstood. Is this something new with Pope Francis?

What Catholics, Christians and the world, can and ought to know.

1st. Tim. 4:1-2 “Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared” & verses 6-11 “These things proposing to the brethren, thou shalt be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished up in the words of faith, and of the good doctrine which thou hast attained unto. But avoid foolish and old wives’ fables: and exercise thyself unto godliness. For bodily exercise is profitable to little: but godliness is profitable to all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. A faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.  For therefore we labor and are reviled, because we hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of the faithful. These things command and teach.”

2nd. Tim. 4: 1-4 “I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom: Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables. But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry.”

That time begin while Christ was still on earth, and continues to the present day and beyond. There’s nothing NEW here except for the doubters, hecklers, uninformed, misinformed, and those hating God, His Catholic Church and everything we stand for. 

Matt.11:19the Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, `Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.” John 6:41-42 “The Jews therefore murmured at him, because he had said: I am the living bread which came down from heaven. And they said: Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then saith he, I came down from heaven?” John 6: 49-51 “This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. [60] These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum. Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it? [Meaning who can belief it?]

The world, and all those who claim to be followers of Jesus even more so, ought NOT be surprised at what is going on. It’s merely a continuation of the prideful hatred of all that God and His Catholic Church stands for being manifested in current times and terms. It’s been around since Christ, and it was no surprise to Him,  or to His Apostles, and Disciples, and ought to be expected by us as Satan stomps, and screams: GOD’S A LIE! THERE IS NO AFTER LIFE! …YOU TOO “CAN BE” YOUR OWN GODS! … Look at his church; filled with liars, perverts, thief’s. Can THIS BE “of God?” IMPOSSIBLE! … But no mention of the Saints, the saints, the many MILLIONS of faithful and faith-filled Catholics throughout the world. No mention of Catholic Charities, of the Bible and Christ teachings and sacrifice and warnings of their hatred and bigotry. No; “my truth” is better than “your truth.” but KNOW DEAR FRIENDS; God hears, God remains in charge and a day of reckoning looms nearer and nearer.

Christ told and foretold what to expect.

Mt. 13:34-43 “All these things Jesus spoke in parables to the multitudes: and without parables he did not speak to them. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden from the foundation of the world. Then having sent away the multitudes, he came into the house, and his disciples came to him, saying: Expound to us the parable of the cockle of the field. Who made answer and said to them: He that soweth the good seed, is the Son of man. And the field, is the world. And the good seed are the children of the kingdom. And the cockle, are the children of the wicked one. And the enemy that sowed them, is the devil. But the harvest is the end of the world. And the reapers are the angels. Even as cockle therefore is gathered up, and burnt with fire: so shall it be at the end of the world. The Son of man shall send his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all scandals, and them that work iniquity. And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the just shine as the sun, in the kingdom of their Father. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”

Satan OWNS the Secular press. Of this we ought to be certain. Are Christians to avoid “the near occasion’s of sin?”  of course we are! WELL? There are reasonable alternatives to “the nightly propaganda” called “the News.” See it for what it is and avoid it!

Learn to question at once any derogatory statement about Christ Church; Pope or laity. NOT to hide from obvious failing; BUT understanding that it is people within the church that fail; NOT the Church herself.

IT IS A MORAL AND THEOLOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY that a Pope can teach in error on ANY and ALL matters to be believed in Faith and or Morals. God has said so.

“Let him who has ears hear!”

Mt. 16:18-19 “And I [your Good and Perfect God] say to thee: [alone and exclusively]  That thou art Peter; and upon this rock [You! Peter and my Popes who follow YOU!] I will build my church, [singular] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee [ALONE and exclusively!] [ALL OF]  the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

EXCLUSIVE commitment and promise TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; OUR POPES AND THE MAGISTERIUM. God has done this; made this promise and commitment to NO OTHER faith, or group! Certainly NOT the secular press!

John 17: 13-21 “And now [Father] I [Jesus] come to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy filled in themselves. I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evilSanctify them in truth [God cannot deny Himself!] Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may [“Will”] be sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me; That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us

John 20:21-22 “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. [God’s desire for each of US!] As the Father hath sent me, I also send you When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.”

And the charge; the mandate to teach His Singular Faith is given directly; precisely and exclusively to the Apostles and THROUGH them by virtue of the expanded mandate to cf. “teach the entire world what I Jesus, taught to “YOU!”; to today’s catholic Pope, Magisterium and Church ALONE!

Mark 16:14-15 “At length he appeared to the eleven as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

Matthew 28: 16-20 “And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”

Be NOT afraid

Genesis 45:5 Be not afraid, and let it not seem to you a hard case that you sold me into these countries: for God sent me before you into Egypt for your preservation.”

Deuteronomy 20:3 “Hear, O Israel, you join battle this day against your enemies, let not your heart be dismayed, be not afraid, do not give back, fear ye them not:

Proverbs 3:25Be not afraid of sudden fear, nor of the power of the wicked falling upon thee.”

Luke 12:4 “And I say to you, my friends: Be not afraid of them who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.”

Ecclesiasticus 34:16 “He that feareth the Lord shall tremble at nothing, and shall not be afraid for he is his hope.”

John 14:27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, do I give unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid.” AMEN!

Romans 16:17 “Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make dissensions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them.”

1 Timothy 4:7 “But avoid foolish and old wives’ fables: [AND THE BIGOTED SECULAR PRESS WHO SEEKS TO DESTROY CHRISTIANITY] and exercise thyself unto godliness.”

Remain in Peace; God is ON OUR SIDE!

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4 comments on “Satan’s Desciples [the secular Press]


  1. IF your hanging your beliefs on this one THING [speakingin tongues] I would urge Caution—GOOGLE “Satan and speaking in tongues”.
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    IF your hanging your beliefs on this one THING [speakingin tongues] I would urge Caution. THIS can be ALSO form Satan; the deceiver
    Posted on July 31, 2013

    IF your hanging your beliefs on this one THING [speakingin tongues] I would urge Caution.

    THIS can be ALSO form Satan; the deceiver

    GOOGLE “Satan and speaking in tongues”
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    butbob;10499059]with all the different protestant churches it is difficult to find the ones where people and the pastor are actually filled and led by the Holy Spirit– that is the game changer–

    all thou the Assembly of God church has the doctrinal belief speaking in tongues is the 1st evidence of the Holy Spirit–

    even in the catholic churxch it is hard to find
    Q5 . If you are Born of God, [Baptized?] ARE you a Child of God? John 1:12; Rom. 8:16.

    John 1:12 “But as many as received him, he gave them power to be made the sons of God, to them that believe in his name”

    Once again we have a different version of “by Faith Alone.” A very believable and powerful message when taken out of context. They trend to the first teaching but at times ignore that it is clearly a “conditional offer.” Then even if they accept that its “conditional,” they claim an unwarranted right to define for themselves what the conditions are. Not permitting God to “be in charge”; and therefore they commonly miss the actual teaching God requires. This is a great example of US needing to know what is true; and how to prove it.

    Rom. 8:16 “For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God.” Keep in mind the question being asked: cf. “DO YOU have the Spirit of God living in you?” … I’d bet nearly 100%claim that they do?

    Response: But even if they do, how do they know for sure? My guess is that the answer has something to do with “Speaking in Tongues” which they commonly hold as the “end-all” of all Spiritual Gifts. So are they saying that “if one does not have the Gift of tongues”; the HS is NOT with them? Yes, I think that is often their point; and it’s wrong! That is NOT what Paul actually teaches:

    1Cor.12 Verses 26 to 31”If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together. Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then workers of miracles, then healers, helpers, administrators, speakers in various [LAST Listed] kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? [NO is implied] Do all interpret? But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.” AND 1st.Cor. 14: Verses 5, 13 “Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues, unless some one interprets, so that the church may be edified. Therefore, he who speaks in a tongue should pray for the power to interpret.”

    Speaking in tongues is a good thing; made far better when they or someone else can interpret it “for the benefit of the church.”( the people)

    I know only a few catholics who are so Blessed.

    This stems from the fact that it is not a Gift we ask for from the HS, enough.

    We certainly do NOT wish to claim that The Holy Spirit is NOT In some manner available to our Protestant brethren

    . He may well be with them is some manner? BUT not in the fullness that He is within the Catholic Church and our Sacraments, and especially in it’s Informed and fully practicing members. READ: Bob my friend,

    IF your haning your beliefs on this one THING [speakingin tongues] I would urge Caution.

    THIS can be ALSO form Satan; the deceiver

    GOOGLE “Satan and speaking in tongues”

    READ Jn. 14: 16-17 [filled in John 20;21-22]

    The Holy Spirit is Promised ONLY by Christ to His Apostles and the CC that through direct Succession [Mk. 16:14-17 & Mt. 28:18-20] with the MISSION now expanded to the Entire WORLD, which makes it an absolute necessity.

    Further evidence is Found in John 17:15-19 Where Jesus gives HIMSELF personally [and exclusively] to the same Apostles an todays CC.

    Keep in mind that the ONLY Church for nearly ONE THOUSAND YEARS AFTER CHRIST RESSURESCTION was and is; todays CC. [And yes I can prove it biblically and historically]. Certainly our Perfect God did not wait for Protrestants to introduce His SINGULAR truth.

    God Bles you,
    pat/PJM

  2. roman says:

    how to speak in tongues– but KEEP YOUR HAT ON

  3. roman says:

    Joseph Prince – Tongues — The Key To A Spirit-Led Life –

    Published on Jun 7, 2012

    Want to live stronger, healthier and wiser?

    Well, you can! In this anointed message,

    Joseph Prince shows you how you can live just such a victorious life, at peace with God and yourself. The key is the tremendous God-given gift of tongues.

    Through it, you allow the Holy Spirit to move more powerfully in your life, equipping and enabling you, helping you discern even between life and death.

    So listen and lock onto this incredible gift today.

    You will see your powerful Helper assist you in praying perfect prayers, and the wonderful works of God — constant wholeness, wisdom and perfect peace — manifest in your life!

  4. roman says:

    tongues for edification and wisdom, the gifts of the Holy Spirit

    pray in tongues and interpret it also, he knew it as God , and not the devil

    Andrew Wommack on speaking in toungues

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