Satan’s Desciples [the secular Press]


 

“Satan’s Disciples: Are many, varied and widely spread; but there is Single Category Leadership

Or, is a partial truth,  [still] thee truth? A critical and essential review of the World’s Secular Press”

By Patrick Miron

“Pope Francis Reaches Out to Gays:”

‘Who Am I to Judge?’
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AUTHORS note

: While showing only one example, it nevertheless typifies the “take and slant” of the Worlds secular press on this issue and the bias against the Catholic Church.

“A remarkably candid Pope Francis struck a conciliatory stance toward gays Monday, saying, “Who am I to judge?” when it comes to the sexual orientation of priests.

“We shouldn’t marginalize people for this. They must be integrated into society,” Francis said during an extraordinary 82-minute exchange with reporters aboard his plane returning from his first papal trip, to celebrate World Youth Day in Brazil.

“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” the Pope asked.

Francis’ first news conference as Pope was wide-ranging and open, touching on everything from the greater role he believes women should have in the Catholic Church to the troubled Vatican Bank.”

Here’s the rest of the story from three Catholic sources: “ZENET”

http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=3vopfptlr9pm9#13072904

And an even more detailed report from CAN [“Catholic News Service” 

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1303260.htm

And fuller yet from Catholic News Agency: 

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pope-homosexuals-who-am-i-judge

“Among other points, Pope Francis:

Replied when asked about the Vatican’s alleged “gay lobby” that while a lobby might be an issue, he doesn’t have any problem with the inclination to homosexuality itself: “Who am I to judge them if they’re seeking the Lord in good faith?”

7 things you need to know about what Pope Francis said about gays

By James Akin Read more:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/7-things-you-need-to-know-about-what-pope-francis-said-about-gays#ixzz2aXW5DJxr

“The press is buzzing right now with claims that Pope Francis has taken a sharply different line than his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI, on the subject of homosexuality.

Some are suggesting that the new pope has announced that “gay is okay.”

What did Pope Francis really say, and how unusual is it?

Here are 7 things to know and share . . .

1) Where did Pope Francis make these remarks?

He made them during an 80-minute interview with reporters aboard the plane returning from World Youth Day in Brazil.

2) What was he asked that led to the remarks?

We may not know exactly what the question was until a transcript is released, but apparently, he was asked about the reputed “gay lobby” at the Vatican.

3) What exactly did he say?

According to the best current accounts, he said:

There’s a lot of talk about the gay lobby, but I’ve never seen it on the Vatican ID card.

When I meet a gay person, I have to distinguish between their being gay and being part of a lobby. If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them? They shouldn’t be marginalized. The tendency [i.e., same-sex attraction] is not the problem … they’re our brothers.

UPDATE: Here is a fuller presentation of the exchange. Big hat tip to

Salt and Light!

The Question to Pope Francis from Ilse, a journalist on the Papal flight

Ilse: I would like to ask permission to pose a rather delicate question. Another image that went around the world is that of Monsignor Ricca and the news about his personal life. I would like to know, your Holiness, what will be done about this question. How should one deal with this question and how does your Holiness wish to deal with the whole question of the gay lobby?

The Pope’s Answer

Regarding the matter of Monsignor Ricca, I did what Canon Law required and did the required investigation. And from the investigation, we did not find anything corresponding to the accusations against him. We found none of that. That is the answer. But I would like to add one more thing to this: I see that so many times in the Church, apart from this case and also in this case, one looks for the “sins of youth,” for example, is it not thus?, And then these things are published. These things are not crimes. The crimes are something else: child abuse is a crime. But sins, if a person, or secular priest or a nun, has committed a sin and then that person experienced conversion, the Lord forgives and when the Lord forgives, the Lord forgets and this is very important for our lives. When we go to confession and we truly say “I have sinned in this matter,” the Lord forgets and we do not have the right to not forget because we run the risk that the Lord will not forget our sins, eh? This is a danger. This is what is important: a theology of sin. So many times I think of St. Peter: he committed one of the worst sins denying Christ. And with this sin they made him Pope. We must think about fact often.

But returning to your question more concretely: in this case [Ricca] I did the required investigation and we found nothing. That is the first question. Then you spoke of the gay lobby. Agh… so much is written about the gay lobby. I have yet to find on a Vatican identity card the word gay. They say there are some gay people here. I think that when we encounter a gay person, we must make the distinction between the fact of a person being gay and the fact of a lobby, because lobbies are not good. They are bad. If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge that person? The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this point beautifully but says, wait a moment, how does it say, it says, these persons must never be marginalized and “they must be integrated into society.”

The problem is not that one has this tendency; no, we must be brothers, this is the first matter. There is another problem, another one: the problem is to form a lobby of those who have this tendency, a lobby of the greedy people, a lobby of politicians, a lobby of Masons, so many lobbies. This is the most serious problem for me. And thank you so much for doing this question. Thank you very much!

4) What does this mean?

The first part of the statement seems to downplay the who “gay lobby” issue. He’s not denying that there is one there, but he’s suggesting that the talk is somewhat overblown.

He then explains his approach to dealing with gay people: He distinguishes between their “being gay” and “being part of a lobby.”

What he means by “being gay” is something he further unpacks.

In ordinary parlance, “being gay” can mean anything from having same-sex attraction to leading an active “gay lifestyle” to endorsing and advocating a pro-homosexual ideology. The last of these would be functioning as a member of a lobby, and he indicates that this is not what he is talking about.

He then describes those he is talking about as people who “accept the Lord and have goodwill.”

He then seems to further clarify who he is talking about by saying that “The tendency [i.e., same-sex attraction] is not the problem … they’re our brothers.”

Taking his statements together, what emerges is a portrait of individuals who have same-sex attraction but who nevertheless accept the Lord and have goodwill, as opposed to working to advance a pro-homosexual ideology.

This would definitely include people with same-sex attraction who strive to live chastely (even if they sometimes fail).

It also, possibly, could include individuals who are not living chastely but who are not actively lobbying a homosexual agenda. It would be nice if he’d said a little more to clarify the point further.”

5) What does he say about people in this category?

He says that he does not think he is in a position to judge them and that they should not be marginalized.

He also says that the mere tendency (same-sex attraction) “is not the problem,” and that “they’re our brothers.”

6) How new is this?

Not very.

Disclaiming a right to “judge” others is something that goes back to Jesus. It does not mean a failure to recognize the moral character of others’ actions, however.

One can form a moral appraisal that what someone else is doing is wrong (Jesus obviously does not forbid that) without having or showing malice toward them.

The statement that they should not be marginalized is similarly in keeping with the Holy See’s approach to the subject, as 1986 Vatican document On the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons.

The statement that same-sex attraction “is not the problem,” when understood correctly, is also nothing new. “The problem,” as Pope Francis seems to here be understanding it, is going beyond merely having a sinful tendency–a temptation to which one is subject.

Obviously, temptations are problem, but if we resist temptation we do not sin. “The problem,” on this understanding, is giving into the temptation and sinning or–worse–building an ideology around the sin and trying to advocate the sin.

Finally, the statement that “they’re our brothers” is also no novelty. Christians, like everyone, have struggled with every sort of temptation all through history.

Same-sex attraction is just one temptation among numerous others, and the fact that a person suffers from this temptation no more deprives him of the status of being a brother in Christ than any other temptation does.

7) How different is any of this compared to Pope Benedict?

The press has been (as usual) trying to make unfavorable comparisons to Pope Benedit, noting that during his time the Holy See issued a document saying that those with deep-seated homosexual tendencies should not be ordained to the priesthood.

Pope Francis did not mention that document or its policy and so has done nothing different than Benedict there.

Neither are any of Francis’s remarks contrary to the approach Benedict took during his pontificate.

In fact, Benedict himself (as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger) was the signer of the previosly-mentioned letter on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, as well as the follow-up document on non-discrimination regarding homosexual persons.

So, as usual, the press is painting a false picture by contrasting the “good” Francis and the “bad” Benedict.”

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Without any doubt, What the Pope said in its entirety is a VASTLY different message that the Secular Press desires the world to know. Their HATRED of the Catholic Church will be taken care of by God. But seek the truth WHERE the Truth MAY BE FOUND!

The News Media has made soooo much NOISE, that cardinal Dolan has made a clarification statement on the Popes statement. Here it is:

http://www.today.com/news/cardinal-dolan-popes-gay-remarks-we-can-judge-actions-not-6C10791364

“Pope Francis’ comments about gays may have signaled a change in tone within the Catholic Church, but they did not reflect a break in church policy, a leading American Catholic cleric said Tuesday.

The church teaches to treat everyone — including gays — with dignity, even if they do not approve of the relationships they have, said Cardinal Timothy Dolan, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

“What the pope is saying is, don’t forget there’s another element to God’s teaching, namely that we treat everybody with dignity and respect, that we don’t judge their heart, that we love and respect them,”

he told TODAY’s Matt Lauer.”

A friend [echoing many others] has some concerns about our Pope Francis. What he say’s and how easily and often it is misunderstood. Is this something new with Pope Francis?

What Catholics, Christians and the world, can and ought to know.

1st. Tim. 4:1-2 “Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils, Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared” & verses 6-11 “These things proposing to the brethren, thou shalt be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished up in the words of faith, and of the good doctrine which thou hast attained unto. But avoid foolish and old wives’ fables: and exercise thyself unto godliness. For bodily exercise is profitable to little: but godliness is profitable to all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. A faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.  For therefore we labor and are reviled, because we hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of the faithful. These things command and teach.”

2nd. Tim. 4: 1-4 “I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom: Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables. But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry.”

That time begin while Christ was still on earth, and continues to the present day and beyond. There’s nothing NEW here except for the doubters, hecklers, uninformed, misinformed, and those hating God, His Catholic Church and everything we stand for. 

Matt.11:19the Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, `Behold, a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.” John 6:41-42 “The Jews therefore murmured at him, because he had said: I am the living bread which came down from heaven. And they said: Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then saith he, I came down from heaven?” John 6: 49-51 “This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. [60] These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum. Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it? [Meaning who can belief it?]

The world, and all those who claim to be followers of Jesus even more so, ought NOT be surprised at what is going on. It’s merely a continuation of the prideful hatred of all that God and His Catholic Church stands for being manifested in current times and terms. It’s been around since Christ, and it was no surprise to Him,  or to His Apostles, and Disciples, and ought to be expected by us as Satan stomps, and screams: GOD’S A LIE! THERE IS NO AFTER LIFE! …YOU TOO “CAN BE” YOUR OWN GODS! … Look at his church; filled with liars, perverts, thief’s. Can THIS BE “of God?” IMPOSSIBLE! … But no mention of the Saints, the saints, the many MILLIONS of faithful and faith-filled Catholics throughout the world. No mention of Catholic Charities, of the Bible and Christ teachings and sacrifice and warnings of their hatred and bigotry. No; “my truth” is better than “your truth.” but KNOW DEAR FRIENDS; God hears, God remains in charge and a day of reckoning looms nearer and nearer.

Christ told and foretold what to expect.

Mt. 13:34-43 “All these things Jesus spoke in parables to the multitudes: and without parables he did not speak to them. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden from the foundation of the world. Then having sent away the multitudes, he came into the house, and his disciples came to him, saying: Expound to us the parable of the cockle of the field. Who made answer and said to them: He that soweth the good seed, is the Son of man. And the field, is the world. And the good seed are the children of the kingdom. And the cockle, are the children of the wicked one. And the enemy that sowed them, is the devil. But the harvest is the end of the world. And the reapers are the angels. Even as cockle therefore is gathered up, and burnt with fire: so shall it be at the end of the world. The Son of man shall send his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all scandals, and them that work iniquity. And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the just shine as the sun, in the kingdom of their Father. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”

Satan OWNS the Secular press. Of this we ought to be certain. Are Christians to avoid “the near occasion’s of sin?”  of course we are! WELL? There are reasonable alternatives to “the nightly propaganda” called “the News.” See it for what it is and avoid it!

Learn to question at once any derogatory statement about Christ Church; Pope or laity. NOT to hide from obvious failing; BUT understanding that it is people within the church that fail; NOT the Church herself.

IT IS A MORAL AND THEOLOGICAL IMPOSSIBILITY that a Pope can teach in error on ANY and ALL matters to be believed in Faith and or Morals. God has said so.

“Let him who has ears hear!”

Mt. 16:18-19 “And I [your Good and Perfect God] say to thee: [alone and exclusively]  That thou art Peter; and upon this rock [You! Peter and my Popes who follow YOU!] I will build my church, [singular] and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee [ALONE and exclusively!] [ALL OF]  the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

EXCLUSIVE commitment and promise TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH; OUR POPES AND THE MAGISTERIUM. God has done this; made this promise and commitment to NO OTHER faith, or group! Certainly NOT the secular press!

John 17: 13-21 “And now [Father] I [Jesus] come to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy filled in themselves. I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evilSanctify them in truth [God cannot deny Himself!] Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may [“Will”] be sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me; That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us

John 20:21-22 “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. [God’s desire for each of US!] As the Father hath sent me, I also send you When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.”

And the charge; the mandate to teach His Singular Faith is given directly; precisely and exclusively to the Apostles and THROUGH them by virtue of the expanded mandate to cf. “teach the entire world what I Jesus, taught to “YOU!”; to today’s catholic Pope, Magisterium and Church ALONE!

Mark 16:14-15 “At length he appeared to the eleven as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

Matthew 28: 16-20 “And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”

Be NOT afraid

Genesis 45:5 Be not afraid, and let it not seem to you a hard case that you sold me into these countries: for God sent me before you into Egypt for your preservation.”

Deuteronomy 20:3 “Hear, O Israel, you join battle this day against your enemies, let not your heart be dismayed, be not afraid, do not give back, fear ye them not:

Proverbs 3:25Be not afraid of sudden fear, nor of the power of the wicked falling upon thee.”

Luke 12:4 “And I say to you, my friends: Be not afraid of them who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.”

Ecclesiasticus 34:16 “He that feareth the Lord shall tremble at nothing, and shall not be afraid for he is his hope.”

John 14:27Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, do I give unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be afraid.” AMEN!

Romans 16:17 “Now I beseech you, brethren, to mark them who make dissensions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned, and avoid them.”

1 Timothy 4:7 “But avoid foolish and old wives’ fables: [AND THE BIGOTED SECULAR PRESS WHO SEEKS TO DESTROY CHRISTIANITY] and exercise thyself unto godliness.”

Remain in Peace; God is ON OUR SIDE!

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 It’s my fault…
 

It’s My Fault

Being a father is a radical responsibility. One that’s been neutered of its uniqueness and weight and reduced to a mere luxury of the human economy. Well, we may have produced an economy of hard working men (and women), but we’ve also enabled a generation of slacker dads. Even the “good dads” are slackers. And I’m intent on not being one of them.

If my family is not praying enough or doesn’t know how to pray together, it’s my fault.

If my family lacks direction and inspiration and vision, it’s my fault.

If my children don’t know what generosity and selflessness look like, it’s my fault.

If my children do not know God, it’s my fault.

If my children don’t know what a hard working, faithful, loving, disciplined, kind, holy, gentle, patient, strong man looks like, it’s my fault.

If my children don’t feel secure about who they are, it’s my fault.

If my son doesn’t know how to be a real man, it’s my fault.

If my daughter doesn’t know how she’s supposed to be treated, it’s my fault.

If my children don’t know what it feels like to be loved and what real, sacrificial love looks like, it’s my fault.

If my children don’t know what forgiveness and mercy look like, it’s my fault.

If my children don’t know how to respect authority, it’s my fault.

If my children don’t know that the hard stuff in life is the stuff most worth doing, it’s my fault.

If my children don’t know to pursue truth over comfort and faithfulness over success, it’s my ault.

If my children don’t know what humility and honesty look like, it’s my fault.

If my house does not serve the Lord, it’s my fault.

If I, as their father, don’t do these things, who will? Who will? If it’s not my responsibility, whose is it? My wife has unique responsibilities of her own and many of these others we fulfill together. But ultimately, in my family, if these things don’t happen, it’s my fault.***

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By Matthew Warner

A point to Ponder


[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Carlan:

As Catholics we defend the Faith the way it was handed down to us from Christ through the Apostles to the best of our ability. We pray for enlightenment for ourselves and others.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]REPLY By  Whadyamean

The praying is very admirable and may be useful.It is the “hand(ing) down to us from Christ through the Apostles to the best of our ability” that is of concern. Given the ideas of say the discipline of general semantics, we know that everything from witnessing, through collecting, translation, interpretation, building a canon, etc, etc, is an exceptionally chancy matter not unlike the game of “telephone” as played by children, all genuine sincerity, good intention, devotion, etc., aside. So even if there is a skeleton of truth referring to actuality, what that actuality is may be functionally distorted even by a slight deviation. [/QUOTE]

My Response PJM

Actually it is not chancy at all. WHY? Because the claim of 2 Tim. 3:13-17 must be true or there is ZERO value to the bible.

One must never overlook the FACT that Jesus Himself warrants, guides, and protects the teachings of the CC; the Pope and the Magesterium Both out of God’s Desire to do so and because it is a ABSOLUTE necessity that he, God do so.

I do not claim that this or that translation  can’t be in error; BUT ONLY that the Church; The Pope and the Magesterium cannot be in error. One must acknowledge that significant difference.

Matt.10: 1 -8 “And he called to him his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every infirmity.
[2] The names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zeb’edee, and John his brother; … These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, “Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, … And preach as you go, saying, `The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay.”

Jn.4:167 “

And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.’ THIS IS FULFILLED IN Jn.20:21-22 [Pentecost Sunday] “[21] Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.”

“Will There be pain of the senses in Hell/” By mark Shea


Will There Be Pains of Sense in Hell?

by Mark Shea

Read more:

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/mark-shea/will-there-be-pains-of-sense-in-hell#ixzz2aBxK1j5c

by Mark Shea Friday, July 26, 2013 12:01 AM Comments

(33)

A reader writes:

Hail oh magnificently bearded one, Wondering if you could help with an issue that’s been bothering me. I’ve been noodling the question of Hell for a little while – while I’ve never had any problems with the doctrine that those who die in mortal sin separate themselves from God forever, I do have problems with the formulation of Hell as a place of punishment for sin.

For example, I listened to a Benedictine monk give a lecture on Hell, in which he taught that the damned are in constant burning fire, and that God makes sure they can feel it by giving them physical bodies which never decay. He made clear that the worst part of Hell was the separation from God, but also that this was a part of it. This kind of thing is a big feature of catechesis pre-Vatican II – the teaching that the most awful thing about Hell is the eternal separation from God, but there’s also this torture, for lack of a better word, inflicted on the damned by the will of God.

For me the problem is that these punishments seem utterly gratuitous, to the point of cruelty. If losing God is the worst thing that can happen to a sinner, why bother inflicting more pain on them? The worst thing that can be done to them has happened – anything more than that just comes across as petty.

And I think that the response to these complaints are quite telling. From the resources I was looking at, the basic rejoinder to any objection was the Calvinist-tinged “Well who are you to question God? He is ultimate Justice, and can do whatever he likes” or “You may not like it but God said it, so there” (I can’t rationally justify this but I can’t get rid of it, in other words).

Do you think that the teaching of the Church has developed somewhat? When I was coming into the Church I didn’t come across this stuff – even in the Catechism I think the ‘fires of hell’ are in quote marks, suggesting that the interpretation of a literal fire of Hell has been quietly dropped. What do you reckon?

One of the points of Catholic teaching that goes with the fact that the Church teaches the resurrection of the dead is that the pains of hell will include bodily pain (since it is the whole person that suffers hell just as it is the whole person that enjoys heaven). Jesus, after all, says, “the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment” (John 5:28-29). The Church’s teaching is not that the pain of sense is an extra bit of vindictiveness tacked on by God just to make hell extra-horrible, but simply a corollary of what those who have chosen hell will experience as a result of their choice. Humans are intended for bodily existence and so the Resurrection will therefore encompass all humans, good and bad. Those who have chosen evil will experience the consequence of that in their risen bodies just as those who have chosen salvation will experience the consquences of that choice.

And, indeed, we can already see foreshadows of that process at work in the body even in this life. Hitler chooses and indeed demands to have dentistry without novocaine because he is a control freak. The debauched person experiences the bodily dissolution of the flesh. Hypertension, sleeplessness, addictions and so forth often accompany evil lifestyles. The warning of hell is that a deliberate willed rejection of God will radiate out to every part of the person with no hope of salvation if the only means of salvation is deliberately and definitively rejected. It’s not a gratuitous cruelty but simply one more aspect of what “The gates of hell are barred from within” means. If we accept the idea of the resurrection of the body (and Christianity is pretty much pointless without it), I don’t see how to escape the idea that part of the pain of hell is the “pain of sense”. I’m not fussy about literal fire in hell (and the Church has historically permitted both the notion that the “fires of hell” may be material or may be metaphorical), but at the same time, if we accept the idea of the resurrection then, again, bodies have to be somewhere. So I also don’t rule out the possibility that some torment like flame (or worse than flame) awaits the body of the impenitent sinner (and I can think of any number of conditions even in this life that do not require applications of literal flames in order for the sufferer to feel anguish indistinguishable from fire). So it may well be that the impenitent damned carry their sufferings with them wherever they go, something like Jacob Marley in A Christmas Carol. Then again, it may be that St. Thomas is right when he speculates that the damned in the New Heaven and New Earth (another consequence of the resurrection of the body) may literally dwell in fires beneath the earth. The Church has never made a definitive ruling on this and, in its recent teaching, has mainly emphasized the principal pain of Hell, the loss of God.

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

The real question being asked by my reader, I think, is “Is God vindictive or is God simply issuing a very clear warning to us of what will inevitably befall the whole human organism if that organism will not grab the life preserver of salvation and allow itself to be pulled out of the ocean of slow-acting acid into which it has fallen?” I think the situation is clearly the latter. God is not vindictive. The Cross is the answer to that lie. But the fact that that sacrifice was necessary to save us shows how desperate our plight as a species is. If we won’t accept even that, then we choose the acid bath and the eventual complete torment to body, soul, and spirit it will entail. There’s no getting around the basic fact that hell is horrific. And yet horrific as that is, what is even more frightening is that the Tradition clearly warns that the pains of sense are not the main horror of hell: the loss of God is.

This, by the way, is one of the reasons we should pray fervently for a real appreciation of hell: because the point of the warning in this life is primarily to spur us to loving action and prayer, not to spur us to speculate on Who’s Gonna Get It. It is a common trope among many believers to talk about how those darn atheists don’t take hell seriously. It is much less common for us believers to reflect on how we don’t take hell seriously. I don’t mean we should sit around sweating about hell. I mean that when we casually declare that the bulk of our neighbors, family and friends and assuredly going to hell and that causes us zero anguish and instead fills us with the serene satisfaction of having won a combox argument, we are as effectively disbelieving in the meaning of hell as any atheist. Hell is a cosmic “Bridge Out” sign. The New Testament warnings of it are not there to stampede us in servile fear into loving God (a psychological impossibility in any case), but to warn us that we live in a real cosmos with real consquences for real choices. We ought to dread hell primarily because it means the loss of God forever, not because of “What’s in it for me?” But we also ought to dread it for our neighbor. I have known alleged Christians who pray fervently for the eternal damnation of people they don’t like. I have even gotten email from people who pray for my eternal damnation. I can think of no more spiritually dangerous prayer one could possibly offer. It is, if unrepented, perhaps the most sure-fire way of assuring one’s own eternal damnation (and so, of course, people who offer such prayers are themselves to be prayed for with things like the Fatima Prayer: “O my Jesus, save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of Thy mercy.”)

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/mark-shea/will-there-be-pains-of-sense-in-hell#ixzz2aByU4Nke

 

 

Seems that a clairification was in order


[QUOTE]The manner in which the early church assembled had everything to do with cultural and historical factors. As far as divine decrees go, the Bible simply gives the command for believers to “gather together”. [/QUOTE]

No, no, my friend!

It had nothing to do with these factors you mention: “cultural or historical factors“. That is why there many Jews as well as non-Jews in the early church.

The Was and remains:

One God

Who Had and HAS just one set of Faith beliefs

& and only One chosen people [Jews in the OT], and Christian/ Catholics in the NT even to the present times.

Eph. 4: 1-7  “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.

John.10: 16And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”

Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [Singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstonein whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple [Singular] in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Eph. 3: 9-10“And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in  God who created all things;  that through the church [singular] the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord,

 

Col. 3:11-15 “Where there is neither Gentile nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian nor Scythian, bond nor free. But Christ is all, and in all. Put ye on therefore, as the elect of God, holy, and beloved, the bowels of mercy, benignity, humility, modesty, patience: [13] Bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if any have a complaint against another: even as the Lord hath forgiven you, so do you also. But above all these things have charity, which is the bond of perfection:  And let the peace of Christ rejoice in your hearts, wherein also you are called in one body: and be ye thankful.”

Because God is One, Good and Perfect and does not change: Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord, and I change not” Yahweh choose only one people to guide and protect over and above ALL others. Exodus 6:7 “And I will take you to myself for my people, I will be your God: and you shall know that I am the Lord your God who brought you out from the work prison of the Egyptians.”  Because God is “One” : John 10:30 “I and the Father are one,” and because Jesus must follow the choice and Tradition of the OT. He too must choose ‘One Chosen People”

Both biblically and historically, Jesus did exactly that: Note is each of the passages that follow; Jesus is speaking directly and EXCLUSIVELY to His Apostles with these actions, commands and mandates.

Mt. 10:1-8 “And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them [HIS] power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities. And the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, and James the son of Alpheus, and Thaddeus, Simon the Cananean, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. These twelve Jesus sent: commanding them, saying: Go ye not into the way of the Gentiles, and into the city of the Samaritans enter ye not.  But go ye rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And going, preach, saying: The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out devils: freely have you received, freely give.”

Mt. 16: 16-19 ““Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”

PLEASE: let us not digress into the senseless and unsupportable argument of “pebble and rock”. Christ spoke Aramaic, which ONLY translates into “rock.”  Eph. 2:20-22  “Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners; but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and the house of God, [Singular] Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone: In whom all the building, being framed together, groweth up into an holy temple [Singular] in the Lord. In whom you also are built together into an habitation of God in the Spirit.”

Mt. 18: 16-18 ” And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven. The same authority first given to Peter is now passed onto all of the Apostles THROUGH Peter.

How can we KNOW this seems a reasonable question. One Christ foresaw and fully answered.

John 14: 16-17 “And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you.”

John 20:21-22 “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [THIS MEANS WITH GOD’S OWN POWERS AND AUTHORITY] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.”

And then our Good and Perfect God takes it a step further and literally gives Himself as a personal warranty of this FACT.

John 17:14-20 “I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil. They are not of the world, as I also am not of the world. Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth.  [AND AGAIN] As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me”

Then shortly before Christ ascends back into heaven He changes the mandate of Matt. 10:1-8, and makes it precisely clear what HE commands to whom this obligation is imposed. It is expanded to the “entire world,” and specifically and exclusively to His Apostles and those that follow Peter and them.

Mark 16:14-15 “At length he appeared to the eleven as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. And he said to them: Go yeinto the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

Matthew 28: 26-20 “And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them.  And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [AGAIN stating that He God gives to THEN His Own Powers and Authority] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”

So dear friend in Christ, the bible, our God and even history simply do not support your position. There is a GREAT deal more I could share, but if this fails to make the truth apparent to you, nothing short of prayers for your right understanding will. And ALL of this took place more that One Thousand Years before your new man made faith / church was formed.

God Bless you,

Patrick

a small but Highly Signifiant part of Catholism discussed


[QUOTE]=anotherauthor12; Yes, my main issue is that I don’t think there is enough proof to show purgatory exists. My mother only became a Catholic when she got married, and so I have inherited many of her views. [/QUOTE]

First let me share the Biblical evidence of Purgatory and then I’ll attempt to explain it for you. 🙂

[B] Rev. 21: 27 [/B] “But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”

[B] Mt. 5: 26[/B] truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny

Matt.5: 48“You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Explanation:

1. Because God is and must be perfect; so too we must also be made perfect in order to have access to His Divine presence.

In addition to be lesser [venial sins] and GREATER, [Mortal sins]; ALL SINS being public have a necessary “pat-back”  in order to made perfect. For example if someone steals something; IT MUST BE PAID BACK in order to “be forgiven” by God. But what about ruining someone’s “good name” through malicious gossip? How does one pay that back?

Limited space prohibits a FULL explanation so If anyone wants more info please send me a PM.

In addition to what we term “restitution,” which makes sense to us; ALL SIN also has a “latent” penalty that too must be paid back. Restitution covers the person we damaged; but does not cover God’s imposed penalty. As Sin is defined as “SAYING NO TO GOD”, God has every right to impose His own penalty beyond restitution. HOW DO WE PAY THIS PENALTY TO GOD?

In the sacrament of Confession; as part of the Absolution [ONLY GOD CAN AND DOES FORGIVE THE SINS], the priest imposes a Penance; which must be fulfilled in-order for Forgiveness to take effect. This is restitution; not God-due.

We do this by Good Works, Prayer, Sacrifice and for Catholics; Indulgences, which needs to be covered as a separate issue.

The problem for non-catholics is they can NEVER know for sure if they have fully repaid God? Catholics through a Plenary Indulgence, and or the Last Rites; correctly applied, fulfilled, and administered can know; just as we do in the sacrament of Confession; that we have been forgiven, and in the case of the God-dues; we have been perfected.

I hope you find this brief explanation helpful?

God Bless,

Pat

Mary Magdalene and Peter: Pattern for the Ages


 

Mary Magdalene and Peter: Pattern for the Ages

By Dr. Taylor Marshall

&& Pope Pius XI, the Holy Father who first received Lucia’s Fatima message, once lamented: “Well, I’m the Vicar of Christ. I somehow thought that if Christ wanted me to know something, He would simply tell me.”

As we listen to the Gospel readings for Easter, we realize that this is not necessarily the case. Rather, Christ did not initially manifest His resurrected glory to Peter the first Pope. Christ instead chose the lowly, penitent, and the devoted woman of Divine Mercy, Mary Magdalene, to be His emissary to the first Pope. Christ showed Himself to Mary Magdalene whom He then instructed, to “Go and tell Peter.”

We find here at the summit of salvation history, the pattern by which Christ shall rule – through Peter but guided by the voices of little women. The question, then, is, “Will Peter listen?”

Think of St Catherine of Sienna who told the Pope to leave Avignon, France and return to the rightful Rome. The Pope obeyed the little nun.

Recall the Augustinian nun Juliana of Liège through whom Christ asked the Pope to institute the feast of Corpus Christi.

Think of St Margaret Mary Alacoque through Whom the Pope approved and spread devotion to to the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

Think of Saint Catherine Labouré who received the vision of the Miraculous Medal in 1830, which then lead to the popularization of the Immaculate Conception and to dogmatization of this teaching by Pius IX.

We can remember Saint Faustina and her appeals that Divine Mercy be recognized by the universal Church – that even a papally sanctioned feast of Divine Mercy be established on the Sunday after Easter.

Recall little Lucia of Fatima who for decades unsuccessfully asked the Holy Fathers and the bishops to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart.

Again and again, we find the pattern set down by Christ and Mary Magdalene. A lowly woman comes to Peter and says something nearly unbelievable: “We have seen the Lord…He says…”

I can’t help but wonder, and this is pure speculation, that at the end of time, Christ will again chose some lowly woman with one final request to the world’s last Pope. It seems fitting that it should end that way.

That when all seems lost and the Church suffers so terribly, that then the mysterious drama of Easter morning might be somehow reenacted before Christ returns to judge the living and the dead. A lowly woman might bring glad tidings to Peter one last time.

St Mary Magdalene and St Peter, pray for us!

Godspeed,
Taylor Marshall