Do All Bibles TEACH the “Same THINGS?”


Pat:

[QUOTE] Yes it was. That means that the Church was never run on Scripture alone. Now what am I to make of the slight differences in translations between the Catholic and the Protestant versions of the Bible? When I was an Evangelical I assumed the Catholics had corrupted the translation. I am still friends with one family of ardent Evangelicals so this difference may come up. Sorry about all the questions.[/QUOTE]

First, I delighted to have been of help.

Second, As a FYI: Because the Bible was not completely written until the END of the First Century and Christ Died around [30 to 35 AD]; there was NO bible and the Church NOT only existed but flourished [albeit with difficulty; BUT guided and effected by the Holy Spirit], without it though TRADITION & mouth to mouth Teachings.

Third, I REALLY do LOVE questions as they guide me in guiding you. So ASK AWAY!

This is my Ministry. Its what God has called me too, and permits me to do, so He placed us together for a reason. Don’t be bashful; ASL AWAY!

One of the difficulties to be overcome when pondering conversion from any Protestant faith to God’s One God; one set of faith believes and in only one church; all of which are biblically provable as you will see as we progress through the Lessons is the need to overcome and work through preconceived notions and understandings which are at best only partial truth and very often not true at all about Catholicism.

God provides us with the tools necessary to reason things out; and to apply logic to the issues confronting us. So let’s take your question and try to add Objective perspective to it.

The Douay Rheims Catholic Bible, which Luther would have used along with the Latin Vulgate Catholic bibles both pre-existed the King James bible, by at least fifty years for the Douay; and well over a thousand years for the Vulgate.

So it would seem quite reasonable to ask why “any differences” exist as God WORDS are after ALL “God’s Words”

Here are three site for you to check out:

1. The Douay Catholic bible. Which is the first “common language” Catholic Bible  About 1610 AD

http://www.drbo.org/ . The King James dates around 1660 AD

2. The Latin Vulgate, Catholic Bible which dates back to the very early 400’s AD

http://www.latinvulgate.com/

3 Online Parallel Bible site that permits making same page comparisons.

http://www.biblestudytools.com/parallel-bible/

And then let’s take one verse from the Vulgate; The Douay and the King James and compare what they say; and ASK; does it really matter? And if so; WHY?

The First example: Luke 1:28

Vulgate:The Latin Vulgate ) 28 et ingressus angelus ad eam dixit have gratia plena [means “FULL of Grace”] Dominus tecum benedicta tu in mulieribus

Douay Bible : [28] And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women

King James Bible v28: “And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”

Now to be completely fair, I must point out that some less than “Totally orthodox” [which I define as completely Loyal to what Rome; the Pope; and the Magisterium {the official teaching authority of the CC} Teach, and require being taught as God’s always singular truth], catholic bibles also use the terms that the KJB does in some cases. That requires an entirely separate conversation.

So again I ask: WHY ANY changes? And the answer lies in willful changes to Catholic theology; philosophy; or Traditions.

Pope Benedict , on the day he became our 265th consecutive Pope, proclaimed the following teaching: “there cannot be your truth AND my truth OR their would be NO truth.”

Logically and Morally any defined issue can only have one truthful and complete answer.

Said differently: We hold that there is Only One Good and Perfect God. Therefore that One God can, logically and Morally, ONLY have One set of Faith beliefs on LONG defined* issues. Which is precisely why Christ founded Only “One Church.” So that there would [could] be NO debates about what it is that Christ taught and Wills.

Here’s another example:The Second example

Acts 20: 28-30 Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, [singular] which he hath purchased with his own blood. I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.” Douay Rheims Bible

King James “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.”

The Vulgate on verse 28: “adtendite vobis et universo gregi in quo vos Spiritus Sanctus posuit episcopos regere ecclesiam [this means BISHOPS of the [singular] church] Dei quam adquisivit sanguine suo”

Eph. 4: 4-7 “One body [Means only One Church] and one Spirit; as you are called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, [Means ONLY One set of beliefs] one baptism.

One God and Father of all who is above all, and through all, and in us all. But to every one of us is given grace, [True; complete and right UNDERSTANDING] according to the measure of the giving of Christ.” Douay Rheims Bible

King James Eph. 4: 4-7

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift

So in two of the three examples provided, the at first minor and seemingly insignificant changes appear harmless. NOT SO!

Both change the single truth to facilitate a totally DIFFERENT theological teaching; exposing a philosophy that actually contradicts the Singular TRUTH of our God.

In the case of Luke 1:28; If Mary is NOT “FULL of GRACE” then she cannot possibly be “sinless” and a virgin.

In Acts 20:28 By changing “Bishops” to “you” Protestants are able to apply this to themselves or to whomever THEY choose.

So the answer to your question is not pleasant. But it IS thee Truth. The changes are intentional to make possible “manufactured evidence” of a New faith; one that actually competes with God’s WILL and teachings. [And yes I can prove this biblically].

Eph. 2:19

So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular] built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,  in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

John.10: 16And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”

Matt. 13: 9-14

“He who has ears, let him hear.” Then the disciples [Apostles] came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he [Jesus] answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. With them indeed is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says: “You shall indeed hear but never understand, and you shall indeed see but never perceive.” “

The CC is some 2,000 years old. There is a TON of things to learn, know, understand and come to grips with.  That is why I have so many LESSONS on So many topics. And then on top of it all, ones incorrectly taught perceptions and understandings need to be corrected; with clarity, proof, and charity.

Faith; and its Fruits of Wisdom, Knowledge and Right Understanding ARE gifts from God. And ONLY The Holy Spirit can grant them. So pray much; ask lots of questions and don’t be at all concerned about doing it. I’ve been teaching for MANY years. And I believe God Has placed us together for His purpose.

Pat Miron

Working4christ2

 

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One comment on “Do All Bibles TEACH the “Same THINGS?”

  1. working4christ2u commented on Do All Bibles TEACH the “Same THINGS?”.

    in response to working4christ2:

    Pat: [QUOTE] Yes it was. That means that the Church was never run on Scripture alone. Now what am I to make of the slight differences in translations between the Catholic and the Protestant versions of the Bible? When I was an Evangelical I assumed the Catholics had corrupted the translation. I am still friends […]

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    Sacramental Grace, Imputed Righteousness,
    Or Neither?

    Introduction: The influences of these two doctrines, one predominantly from Roman Catholicism, the
    other from Protestanism, are both felt among true non-denominational Christians. It is wise to know
    something about them.

    I) Sacramental Grace

    * This is the idea that through visible forms (sacraments) an invisible grace is imparted and are
    perceived to have inherent power in themselves, whereby they bestow benefits on the recipient.

    * The major two are baptism and the Lord’s Supper, but the Roman church has seven in all, the
    others being marriage, penance, orders, extreme unction and confirmation.

    * An sanctioned administrator is required; a clergyman, church official, or special priesthood, to
    validate the service. Hence only certain ones can baptize, marry a couple, or serve you the
    communion.

    * It is believed that there is a treasury of unused righteous merits stored up by Christ, Mary and
    the saints that the pope can dispense to the faithful through them doing the good works assigned to
    them by the priests.

    * Indulgences and penance – the release from a certain period of punishment or suffering for
    certain sins, granted in response to works of service.

    The Truth:

    * The power of God’s grace is conditioned upon faith (Ephesians 2:8)

    * The word sacrament comes from “sacred”, meaning to set apart, and the Scriptures nowhere allow
    for certain commands to be set apart from the rest, as being more important.

    * Today in the Lord’s kingdom, all things are regarded as holy (Zechariah 14:20-21) and our entire
    lives are a living and holy sacrifice (Romans 12:1)

    * The idea of holy water or inherent power in the immersion itself is disallowed by implication in
    I Peter 3:21.

    * The idea that there is anything inherent in the bread or fruit of the vine, is debunked in I
    Corinthians 11:28-29. Some of the brethren there had been eating the same elements, in the church
    services, but in a manner that condemned them.

    * The Bible nowhere teaches a storehouse of righteousness accumulated for future use. This is the
    product of a fertile, but vain imagination

    * This is where this doctrine seems to connect with our next one.

    Imputed Righteousness

    * The idea is that Christ not only died for our sins, but lived a righteous life so that that
    righteousness could be transferred to us.

    * It teaches that our sins are “covered” by Christ’s purity. That when God looks at our lives, He
    does not see our various and sundry sins, but the righteousness of Christ, super- imposed over us.

    * No matter the sin, whether it be something immoral, or religious error, it makes no difference.

    * This is needed so that our “sinful natures” can now be overcome.

    * This allows fellowship to be extended to a broader circle of people.

    The Truth:

    * The Bible teaches our sins are remitted, which means taken away.

    * The idea in the Scriptures of sins being covered is not blanketed or hidden from view, but
    satisfied. Eg. A person in a restaurant with others, when the bill comes, saying, “I’ll cover it.”

    * The word imputed does not mean transferred in the Bible, but reckoned or account as.

    * Romans 4:3-11 This favorite passage of those espousing this doctrine does not teach Christ’s
    righteousness was transferred, nor that any righteousness whatsoever was transferred, but rather
    says that certain ones are regarded as righteous due to their having faith in Christ and thus being
    forgiven.

    Conclusion: Both of these false doctrines have God giving something in a way not promised. And they
    tend to not promote repentance, reform and the fruit of repentance that the Scriptures do; rather a
    laxness towards such.

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