Pope Francis; Like Christ proclaims; GO! Teach! Share! Love!


 

Pope Francis Calls All Catholics to Evangelize by Regis Martin 

While it is certainly true that all roads lead to Rome,

there is something to be said for all those other roads leading out from Rome. In other words, before we set out on the road to Rome, shouldn’t there be something already in place, in Rome, the gravitational pull of which first radiates out to the world? Only then may it draw the distant and weary traveler back home to Rome. What is the point of a road if it doesn’t go both ways? Cervantes could not have been more mistaken, therefore, when he said: “The road is better than the Inn.” How can that be? Because it is only for the sake of the Inn that you set out upon the road in the first place. Where else does the careworn traveler hope to be if not in the Inn at the end of the journey?

Rome is the Inn at the world’s end. And we do not love her, as Chesterton wisely reminded us, because she is great. It is rather because she is loved that she is great. Ah, but in order to be loved she must first be lovely, and thus in her loveliness she goes out in search of other people to love. This is why her immediate impulse must always be to build bridges, not walls. First she goes out in search of the lost sheep, putting down bridges so as to reach them; only later does she throw up walls to surround and protect them from wolves.

Hasn’t that been the basic marketing strategy from the beginning? What were the essential marching orders issued by the founder of the Christian religion? To answer that one just take a look at the last two verses of the final chapter of St. Matthew’s Gospel: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age” (28:19-20).

Could Jesus have put it any plainer than that? Why is it, then, that we Catholics seem so strangely, stubbornly resistant to the idea, the injunction actually, to go out and spread the Good News? Almost, it seems, to the point of neurosis. How can something so central to the teaching of the Gospel become an impediment among those who already believe in the Gospel? (“Christians who are afraid to build bridges,” Pope Francis tells us, “and prefer to build walls, are Christians who are not sure of their faith, not sure of Jesus Christ.”) Why then this fear? In hanging fire do we not betray a want of belief, of a faith no longer fired by love? A faith grown cold and anemic cannot survive, much less share its marvels with others. Hardly an appealing face, one would think, to present to a world thirsting for the redemption of Jesus Christ.

How very unlike the Apostle Paul, who could not even bring himself to boast about his own preaching since to do so was nothing more than an exigency inscribed in the gospels themselves. “Woe to me if I do not evangelize” (1 Cor 9:16). This, after all, is the job description of anyone who puts on Christ. Indeed, the evangelical imperative was a theme so recurrent at Vatican II that an inventory of its appearance reveals more than 200 showings. And, to be sure, no architect of the Council felt its convicting force more so than the future John Paul II, who returned again and again to the necessity of giving it expression. “No believer in Christ,” he resolutely told us in Redemptoris Missio, his 1990 encyclical announcing a new evangelization, “no institution of the Church, can avoid this supreme duty: to proclaim Christ to all peoples.”

Thus to evangelize is not just a task undertaken from time to time; or even most of the time. It is, to put it simply, the Church’s defining identity; it is what she exists for. Faith is only worth having when you give it away. Hasn’t this been the point made again and again by Pope Francis, especially when, as he seems to have done a lot of lately, reflecting on the life and mission of St. Paul? How tireless he has been in sounding this tocsin! For all the hardships and hassles faced by Paul, the Pope tells us, he just kept on going. His courage in addressing the Athenian crowd at the Areopagus, for instance, was that of someone determined to be a “builder of bridges” (a real pontifex). “Paul does not say to the Athenians: ‘This is the encyclopedia of truth. Study this and you have the truth, the truth.’ No! The truth does not enter into an encyclopedia. The truth is an encounter—it is a meeting with Supreme Truth: Jesus, the great truth.” Nobody owns this truth, we are told, but when we find ourselves, like Paul, possessed by it, galvanized by its force (“We receive the truth when we meet it.”), then we are surely obliged to share it with others. In the case of Paul, of course, it was the message he’d been destined from the beginning of time to deliver. However filled with persecution his life became, none of it could dent or diminish that fierce and undaunted spirit.

Yes, the man was a bit of a nuisance. And, yes, he certainly had plenty of attitude. But, Pope Francis adds, he only “irritated others because testifying to Jesus Christ makes everyone uncomfortable, it threatens the comfort zones.” And in order, “to move forward, forward, forward … not to take refuge in a quiet place or in cozy structures,” we need to exhibit “that most Christian of attitudes: Apostolic zeal.” Of this the Apostle Paul had an ample and admirable supply. “He was not a man of compromise. No! The truth:[ALWAYS’S singular per defined Issue]  forward! The proclamation of Jesus Christ: forward.” And even when it made people think the man was mad—dotty as a doyen of Loonyville—it could not have been an unhealthy thing. Call it an insanity altogether sane and salutary. Otherwise he’d have fallen into a kind of bourgeois Christianity, which makes no demands upon the soul, leaving it prey to an ultimate lethargy. Leaving others to the same fate as well, which equals a failure not only of heroism, but of love. “There are backseat Christians,” the Pope reminds us. “Those who are well mannered, who do everything well, but are unable to bring people to the Church through proclamation and Apostolic zeal.” Their fear of soiling the linen prevents them from going out in search of others, especially along the edges where the dust and the dirt, the muck and the mire are likely to accumulate. Among the poor and the needy, that is, for whom Jesus shed his blood. “We cannot become starched Christians,” the Pope warns. Not overly fastidious. Like Pilate, in other words, who repeatedly washes his hands lest the evidence of truth leave some ineffaceable stain. The only gentleman in all of Scripture, Nietzsche tells us.

Do not become, says the Pope, “too polite, who speak of theology calmly over tea. We have to become courageous Christians and seek out those who are the flesh of Christ.”

Inasmuch as the flesh of Christ includes every human being on the planet, this will require the resources of the Holy Spirit. So let us ask him, the Pope ends by exhorting us, “to give us the grace to be annoying when things are too quiet in the Church, the grace to go out to the outskirts of life. The Church has so much need of this! … And if we annoy people, blessed be the Lord. Onwards, as the Lord says to Paul, ‘take courage.’”

But what if we make mistakes, falling flat on our newly apostolic faces? “Well, what of it,” the Pope snaps. “Get on with you: if you make a mistake, you get up and go forward: that is the way. Those who do not walk in order not to err, make the more serious mistake.”

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Pope Francis: Did he announce a New Teaching on Salvation?


 

Pope Francis proclaims

that “Christ Redeemed the entire word; Muslims included.”  Can it be true?

For hundreds of years now, we Catholics have made the following proclamation, when saying the Stations of the Cross: …

Leader: “We adore thee O Christ and we bless thee”

People: “Because by thy Holy Cross thou hast redeemed the world.”

A few days ago, [05/22/2013] Our Pope, Francis was quoted as saying that…

cf. “ALL are redeemed, even the Muslims.” Like sharks smelling “cut-bait-blood“, the Secular Press was on this story without understanding; but making up for it with malicious intent. Many others have gleefully joined the fray.

While our Holy Father; Pope Francis can, with varying degrees of understanding and truthfulness, be called many things; one thing he cannot be rightly called is “stupid.”

What DO catholics Teach, understand and believe about 1. Redemption 2. Salvation?

While Christ is and must be cast in both Roles; the roles of “Redeemer” and “Savior; the means of salvation,” they, never the less are necessarily separate and separated roles. Right understanding uncovers the truth expressed and taught by the Catholic Church.

Protestantism exist primarily because they are gullibly incapable [unguided by the Holy Spirit] and therefore prevented from right understanding of the bibles use of these terms.

Eph.3:  9 to 12 “And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church[SINGULAR: meaning  Christ own CATHOLIC Church] the  manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and confidence of access through our faith in him.”

This was written more than One Thousand years before the Protestant revolution:

Eph. 4: 1-7  “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.

John.10: 16And I have other sheep, that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will heed my voice. So there shall be one flock, one shepherd”  Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, [singular]built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”

Acts 20:28-30  Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God,

which he hath purchased with his own blood. I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.”

For those interested; here’s why the problem exist.

Truth can never be discovered; or uncovered with carefully selected culled passages alone.

Matthew 4:4Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God” 2nd. Timothy 3:16 All scripture, [is] inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice”

Matt.13:9-12 “He who has ears, let him hear.” Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.”  For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. “

Because there Is but One True God, who is All Good and Perfect in every good thing, it follows logically and Morally that This “One God” can have only One set of Faith beliefs. This is evidenced in both the Old and the New Testaments, and under both the Old and the New Covenant.

“To Redeem”; which does apply to All of humanity; of all times, and forever, and excludes no-one, is accomplished by means of a “buy back;”  “a repayment of a debt;”  or “to make good.” Because of the sin of Adam and Eve; which is far more grievous than merely “eating an apple” or a simple matter of disobedience. This act was an direct ATTACK of God’s Sovereignty. It was a prideful attempt and desire to be “like” [equal too] God>>>>

Genesis 3:1-5 Now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman: Why hath God commanded you, that you should not eat of every tree of paradise? And the woman answered him, saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it, lest perhaps we die. And the serpent said to the woman: No, you shall not die the death. For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil.”

This then explains why God’s response was so severe; it was directly proportionate to the act itself from God‘s perspective and Perfect understanding.

One of many things this sin caused, along with the introduction of physical death, sickness, misery and suffering; none of which where originally planed or desired by God in His decision to Create man, was the blockage of access to heaven. … Recall that God expelled them from Eden. A severe break, a chasm had been wrought, between God and man that would require mans freewill  and rightful application with great effort to restore this man-abandoned relationship. In effect man had to once again, having proved themselves “unworthy” of God’s Love and Trust to now PROVE his worth anew. To merit salvation and Gods Presence once again, in precise manners determined by God Himself would be a lifelong and arduous task; not the simplistic versions invented by men founding faiths and churches that actually compete with His Truths; His Faith and His only Church.

“Salvation on the other hand“: relates to redemption only in that both it and salvation reflect God’s Perfect Will, and both have a “heaven connection.”  And while Both reflect the Devine Will; “Redemption” is an already accomplished fact: once and for all; and for all time.  While salvation remains a “work in progress” and can be gained and lost while still on earth. Everyone who Knows, and fully- accepts Gods conditions, merits God’s salvation; and will only be able to do Only by doing it God’s Way. Man’s many recent, innovative, easier, faster schemes will not be accepted by God who must be Fair and Just. God can’t demand something of Catholics that He lets slide with protestants. This is a Moral impossibility.

Luke 2:29-34 “Now thou dost dismiss thy servant, O Lord, according to thy word in peace; Because my eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all peoples: A light to the revelation of the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. And his father and mother were wondering at those things which were spoken concerning him. And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall, and for the resurrection of many in Israel, [“Israel” here represents the entire world: Mk. 16: 14*15; Mt. 28: 118-20]and for a sign which shall be contradicted”

Deuteronomy 9:26 “And praying, I said: O Lord God, destroy not thy people, and thy inheritance, which thou hast redeemed in thy greatness, whom thou hast brought out of Egypt with a strong hand.”

Psalms 76:16 “With thy arm thou hast redeemed thy people the children of Jacob and of Joseph”

Luke 24:21”But we hoped, that it was he that should have redeemed Israel: and now besides all this, today is the third day since these things were done.”

Revelation 5:9 “And they sung a new canticle, saying: Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book, and to open the seals thereof; because thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation.”

Luke 3:6 “And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.” Verses 7-10 “He [John the Baptist]  said therefore to the multitudes that went forth to be baptized by him: Ye offspring of vipers, who hath shewed you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down and cast into the fire.  And the people asked him, saying: What then shall we do?”

Verses 11:17 “And he answering, said to them: He that hath two coats, let him give to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do in like manner. And the publicans also came to be baptized, and said to him: Master, what shall we do? But he said to them: Do nothing more than that which is appointed you. And the soldiers also asked him, saying: And what shall we do? And he said to them: Do violence to no man; neither calumniate any man; and be content with your pay. And as the people were of opinion, and all were thinking in their hearts of John, that perhaps he might be the Christ;

John answered, saying unto all: I indeed baptize you with water; but there shall come one mightier than I, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to loose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his barn; but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire”

Acts Of Apostles 13:26 “Men, brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you fear God, to you the word of this salvation is sent.”

Acts Of Apostles 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.”

Romans 1:16 ”For I am not ashamed of the gospel. For it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and to the Greek.” The biblical issue of “For All” or just “for many”; has in the past few hundred years received a great many very human interpretations. From Predestination to Faith Alone, and ALL of them are gravely wrong.

LOOK carefully at the very precise and singular commands of Christ:

Mt. 28:16-20

And the eleven disciples went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. [means: and I now pass it on to you, my Apostles ONLY: SEE  Mt. 10;1-8; jn.14:16-17; Jn. 20;21-22, Jn. 17:14-20 and mark 16:14-15 for proof of this] Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”

Here’s a KEY to unlocking God’s and the Bibles Right Understanding of these two terms. 

When one reads “ALL”; the reference when applicable, is to the issue of Redemption Only. When ones reads “some or many,” the reference is to God’s highly conditional salvation; effective and accomplished Only as God commands, not as mortal men desire it to be.

Matt.22: 14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Matt.26: 28 “for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins”

Mark.10: 45 “For the Son of man also came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Luke.13: 24 “Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able”

John.1: 7 “He came for testimony, to bear witness to the light, that all might believe through him.”

2Cor.5: 14-15  “For the love of Christ controls us, because we are convinced that one has died for all; therefore all have died.  And he died for all, that those who live might live no longer for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.”

1 Tim.2: 6 “who gave himself as a ransom for all, the testimony to which was borne at the proper time.”

Heb.9: 12 he entered once for all into the Holy Place, taking not the blood of goats and calves but his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the age to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

Summation : Pope Frances did not error; did not announce a new Catholic Position on Salvation; but did use biblical terms correctly as they ARE to be understood. “Redemption” applying to ALL humanity; past, present and future; while “Salvation” remains a life-long struggle, can be lost, and can only be attained in full accordance with Christ Devine Will and commands.

God Bless you,

Pat Miron

 

Catholics and the Crusades and more


[QUOTE]Hello there, it’s —— from Catholic answers. 

I am indeed speaking partly about the Crusades. I can’t help but notice that the CC hasn’t always been perfect in it’s actions and if possible, people who knew the Bible would have realized that what the Church was doing at the time was un-Christian and would have separated themselves from it. As literacy and printing press increased it only made sense that people who read the Bible would separate themselves from a single authority.[/QUOTE]

Hi ——,

Thanks for entering into discussion with me.

1st. The Crusades: http://www.thearma.org/essays/Crusades.htm

This site reflects my own understanding of the Crusades. If my memory is correct [I’m 68 and have been out of history classes for a very long time.] But the Church was at least at first defending itself. As a much younger man, I enjoyed history, but that’s along time ago.

“Muslim thought divides the world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War. Christianityand for that matter any other non-Muslim religion—has no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East, where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for the next thousand years.”

What I highlighted was true 1,000 years ago, and it remains true in the present day as well.

That is NOT to claim a higher-ground position that claims there were not abuses. Of course there were. BUT this leads to the next point. People do sin!

From my many years of teaching , sharing, explaining and at times defending my Catholic Faith; I have found one of the most commonly misunderstood things by Protestants in general, hold views of the CC which simply are not true; not factual.

It’s a profound Theological issue. There is; has always been and always will be a separation between “The Church” and the PEOPLE within the church. They must be separated because while people can and do sin [Catholics, even clerics included]; “the Church”; is a living entity. But even as such it is impossible for Her [Mother Church] to sin. This is a critical distinction and an all together necessary understanding.

The ONLY time “the Church” can be blamed [or for that matter, credited] is in relation to her formal Teachings on All Faith matters to be believed; and ALL Moral issues. And this is a solidly biblical position.

Only the Catholic church has the Holy Spirit AND Jesus Himself as WARRANTY of Her absolute inability to teach in error on ALL matters of required Faith belief And All Moral matters.

John 14: 16-18 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. .. The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you.  I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you.”

John 20;21-22 “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [Mean with His own Godly Authority and Powers] When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost”

John 17:14-20 “I have given them thy word, and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world; as I also am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil. They are not of the world, as I also am not of the world. Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them do I sanctify myself, [GIVE MYSELF AS THEIR WARRANTY] that they also may be sanctified in truth. And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me

Next: The issue of bible reading.

It is true that prior to Luther’s announced plan for a New Protestant / “common language” bible, that the CC taught that the bible was NOT to be read by the uniformed; un or under- educated. WHY?

2nd. Peter 3: 14 -17 “Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability

2nd. Peter 1: 16-21 You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation,  because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”

Acts 20: 28-30 Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, [singular] which he hath purchased with his own blood. I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Douay Rheims Bible

One can, in hindsight, which is often more revealing than the decision made at the time, look at what has happened within the Protestant churches where there are VERY many differing views, position and understandings accepted, and taught on the same identical passages, when “ Only One POSSIBLE, Truth can exist.

Keep in mind also this mandate predated the “period of enlightenment” which was only dawning at the time.

John 10:16 “And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd”

Eph. 2: 20-23 “Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone

: In whom all the building, [singular] being framed together, groweth up into an holy temple in the Lord. [singular] In whom you also are built together into an habitation of God in the Spirit.”

Psalms 127:1 “Unless the Lord builds the house, those who build it labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain.”

Luke 10:16 “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

Eph.3:  9 to 12 “And to make all men see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for ages in God who created all things; that through the church [SINGULAR: meaning  THE CATHOLIC Church] the  manifold wisdom of God might now be made known to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places. This was according to the eternal purpose which he has realized in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and confidence of access through our faith in him

Matthew 4:4Who answered and said: It is written, Not in bread alone doth man live, but in every word that proceedeth from the mouth of God”

Matt.13:9-12 “He who has ears, let him hear.” Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?” And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.”  For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. “

If one reviews the biblical facts, one can determine God’s Will being defined as:

One God [Triune] Good and Perfect

Holding Only One set of Faith beliefs , in both the Old and New Testament times. God simply cannot as a Moral and Theological impossibility, hold different views [many even contradictory], on long defined issues.

And Only One Chosen people: in the OT and under the Old Covenant; The Jewish nation; and later expanded to ALL of His One set of Faith believers throughout the Entire world, in and under the New Covenant. … Mark 16:14-15: “At length he appeared to the eleven [Apostles] as they were at table: and he upbraided them with their incredulity and hardness of heart, because they did not believe them who had seen him after he was risen again. And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creatureAnd again in Matthew 28:16-20 “And the eleven disciples [Apostles] went into Galilee, unto the mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”

If your still doubtful about this, may I suggest you READ Matthew 10: 1-8; John 14: 16-17; John 20:21-22. This expansion mentioned in the above two references, compared to Matthew 10: 8-10, to NOW and forever include the entire world; indicated Christ having Himself instituted papal succession. [Yes I know the term “pope is not in the bible; but then again neither is the term ‘bible” in the Bible.]

Eph. 4: 1-7 “I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.

Lastly: Your final comment has proven to be true

. It is also Spiritual Suicide for countless souls. And this is no less true today, than in the period of the Protestant revolution. Christ ONLY founded One New Faith and One new Church. Easily provable within the Bible itself. Therefore what the Catholic Church has always, with consistency, convection, and Guarded and warranted by the Holy Spirit and Christ personally, relating to what ACTUALLY IS essential for ones POSSIBLE and very conditional salvation; along with the very key’s to heavens access [Mt. 16:15-19], remain exactly where God placed them, and wants them to be. In today’s Catholic church[s].

Because one “can” has never meant that one “SHOULD.” Human nature is weak; deformed, an seeks naturally an easier way; a short cut. What di Christ say about the Narrow gate?

Matthew 7:11-15 “If you then being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children: how much more will your Father who is in heaven, give good things to them that ask him? All things therefore whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you also to them. For this is the law and the prophets. Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” END QUOTE

Christ founded only One church and one set of Faith beliefs. A historically and biblically provable fact. This was about 2,000 years ago and the CC is still the largest Christian religion in the world. Despite her many defectors and detractors.

So my FRIEND, who founded your church; and when?

Questions from a Fellow catholic part 1


I offered to enter into a discussion with an “informed” catholic who has questions and doubts on a number of issues. This is the First part of the discussion.

“Immaculate conception”

Unless directed otherwise I’ll take the issues as you listed them.

Of the issues listed this may be the easiest to explain and among the more difficult to understand. WHY?

Because it does not have direct and many topical specific reference in the bible.

To grasp this reality one must apply some logic; combined with some understanding of God’s very Nature.

So let’s begin with the latter and pray that it leads to the former. God can briefly be described as “All Good things perfected

“ALL” Exodus 3:14 “God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you.” … Revelation 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, saith the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty. … Revelation 21:6 “And he said to me: It is done. I am Alpha and Omega; the beginning and the end. To him that thirsteth, I will give of the fountain of the water of life, freely.”

These two “Catholic” terms seem to have been hijacked by Protestants. I don’t mean this in a derogatory sense; only that they are more commonly used outside the CC; than within her “laity ranks.” These are known and assumed by Catholics; which in turn aids out Faith-Understanding.

From Father Hardon’s Catholic Dictionary. [he was a noted Theologian and my former mentor]

OMNIPOTENCE.

The almighty power of God. He can do whatever does not deny his nature or that is not self-contradictory. Since God is infinite in being, he must also be infinite in power. (Etym. Latin omnis, all + potentia, power: omnipotens, all-powerful.)

OMNISCIENCE.

God’s knowledge of all things. Revelation discloses that the wisdom of God is without measure (Psalm 146:5). And the Church teaches that his knowledge is infinite.

The primary object of divine cognition is God himself, whom he knows immediately, that is, without any medium by which he apprehends his nature. He knows himself through himself.

The secondary objects of divine knowledge are everything else, namely the purely possible, the real, and the conditionally future. He knows all that is merely possible by what is called the knowledge of simple intelligence. This means that, in comprehending his infinite imitability and his omnipotence, God knows therein the whole sphere of the possible.

He knows all real things in the past, present, and the future by his knowledge of vision. When God, in his self-consciousness, beholds his infinite operative power, he knows therein all that he, as the main effective cause, actually comprehends, i.e., all reality. The difference between past, present, and future does not exist for the divine knowledge, since for God all is simultaneously present.

By the same knowledge of vision, God also foresees the future free acts of the rational creatures with infallible certainty. As taught by the Church, “All things are naked and open to His eyes, even those things that will happen through the free actions of creatures” (Denzinger 3003). The future free actions foreseen by God follow infallibly not because God substitutes his will for the free wills of his creatures but because he does not interfere with the freedom that he foresees creatures will exercise. (Etym. Latin omnis, all + scire, to know.)

“Good things” God Himself is capable of only doing “Good things.” Some folks struggle a bit with this, given the of the God-Inflicted acts of the Old Testament. When I encounter this view, I ask: are “Justice and Fairness Good things?” OF COURSE they are  In each and every instance where severe chastisements are expressed, a bit of investigation shows that God was doing what God MUST do. Act fairly and justly. Evil has its own rewards as does good.

God can and does permit “evil.” BUT it is never God’s Desire; or Gods preferred Will. Death, sickness, problems, Crosses and chastisements are permitted always for two possible reasons.

1. For the Possible Glorification of God. Enacted Justice is a form of this.

2. For the Possible sanctification of man. If man repents and coverts; then God is Glorified and man is sanctified.

“Perfected” Genesis 17:1 “And after he [Abram] began to be ninety and nine years old, the Lord appeared to him: and said unto him: I am the Almighty God: walk before me, and be perfect.”

Matt, this is the critical part of the explanation of Mary’s absolutely necessary “Immaculate Conception.” and yes; “absolutely necessary” is not a typo. Nor is beyond the capabilities of our Good and Perfect God.

Matthew 19:21 “Jesus saith to him: If thou wilt be perfect, go sell what thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me. Luke 6:40 “The disciple is not above his master: but every one shall be perfect, if he be as his master. 1 Corinthians 1:10 “Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no schisms among you; but that you be perfect in the same mind, and in the same judgment. 2 Corinthians 13:11 For the rest, brethren, rejoice, be perfect, take exhortation, be of one mind, have peace; and the God of peace and of love shall be with you. 2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work. James 1:4 And patience hath a perfect work; that you may be perfect and entire, failing in nothing. John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me; that they may be made perfect in one: and the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast also loved me. Galatians 3:3 Are you so foolish, that, whereas you began in the Spirit, you would now be made perfect by the flesh? Matthew 5:48 Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Because God is, and has to be, and must remain “Perfect”;

God once it was determined that the Incarnation would take place; that the worlds Redemption would be one of the end results of it, as would be Gods precisely Conditional Salvation for those who would agree fully with it and embrace it fully; God gave Himself no option BUT to insure that Mary; His Mother-to be, was like He Himself “Perfected.”

Simply stated it is a Theological and a Moral impossibility that God could permit Himself to born from and THROUGH a imperfect Mother. Because God is “perfect” Mary too HAD to be “perfect” also.

This required two steps:

First: the OMNIPOTENCE of God; literally “had too” in anticipation of choosing Mary to become the Mother of God; through the [future] merits of Jesus [for God time does not exist. Everything is “present” to God,] perform a miracle and PERMIT Mary to be conceived without the Stain of Original sin.

http://oce.catholic.com/index.php?title=Anne%2C_Saint  This site gives some historical information about the parents of Mary, who were past the normal age for child-bearing and through the DIRECT intervention of God became pregnant and conceived Mary. In gratitude they offered Mary back to God and she became a “Temple Virgin.”  I don’t want to veer too far from our topic. [This is historical legend]. Back to Mary.

Luke 1:26-35 And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’ s name was Mary. And the angel being come in, said unto her: [verse 28] Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. And of his kingdom there shall be no end. And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.”

FYI: The King James, as well as some “more progressive catholic bibles”, changed this verse 28 to read: “

verse 28 And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”

This sort of translations distorts the truth and the magnitude of what actually TOOK Place.  The Douay Bible superseded the original King James Bible by about Fifty years. And the Douay, is taken from Saint Jerome’s Latin Vulgate, [around 400 AD] which say’s: “28 et ingressus angelus ad eam dixit have gratia plena Dominus tecum benedicta tu in mulieribus” = “FULL of GRACE.” This condition  of “FULL” means NO room for sin!

Second

: The second condition is, IMO, more amazing than the first because it is wrought not by a miracle, but by Offered Grace, accepted fully and correctly applied. Mary HAD to freely choice Never to sin! This IS possible through God’s grace, BUT requires Mary’s Freewill assent and sacrifices. Mary HAD TO and DID, freely choose to never; even in the slightest manner, sin; EVER!

So Matt, that’s the explanation. And this is where the LOGIC has to come in to play. Because Mary Was [is] Full of grace; there was NO room for any sin. Amen?

If you have questions, please ask. There’s not a lot more that I can add to this however.

God Bless you and grant you His Faith and His Wisdom.

Pat

Sin and shame by Pope Francis


Vatican City, May 17, 2013 / 10:35 am (

 

CNA/EWTN News).-Pope Francis told the story of a man who felt ashamed of being a bishop to say that people should not worry of being sinners but should concentrate on allowing Jesus to transform them.

“He was ashamed because he did not feel worthy, he had a spiritual torment and he went to the confessor,” Pope Francis said at his May 17 daily Mass

“The confessor heard him and said, ‘but do not worry, if after the mess Peter made of things, they made him Pope, then you go ahead!’” he recalled.

The Pope delivered his homily on the Gospel reading from John 21, which tells the story of Jesus asking Peter if he loved him three separate times.

According to the pontiff, people should try harder to encounter Jesus rather than focus on their own sins.

“Many times, we look the other way because we do not want to talk with the Lord or allow ourselves to encounter the Lord,” he stated.

“Meeting the Lord is important, but more importantly, let us be met by the Lord, this is a grace,” he added.

“Peter let himself be shaped by his many encounters with Jesus,” the Pope noted, “and this is something we all need to do as well, for we are on the same road.”

“Peter is great, not because he is good, but because he has a nobility of heart, which brings him to tears, leads him to this pain, this shame and also to take up his work of shepherding the flock,” he remarked.

The pontiff noted “the problem is not that we are sinners: the problem is not repenting of sin; not being ashamed of what we have done, that’s the problem.”

“The Lord makes us mature with many meetings with Him, even with our weaknesses, when we recognize them with our sins,” Pope Francis said.

“The point is that this is how the Lord is, that’s the way He is,” he said.

Referring back to the Gospel reading, Pope Francis said the questions Jesus posed to Peter are “a dialogue of love between the Lord and his disciple.”

He explained that the narration goes back to the history of Peter’s meetings with Jesus, from his invitation to follow the Lord, to his receiving the name of the Rock, “a mission which was there, even if Peter understood nothing of it at the time.”

“Peter was saddened that, for a third time, Jesus asked him, ‘do you love me?’” said Pope Francis.

Peter was a great man, the Holy Father remarked, but he was also a sinner and this question made him feel “pain” and “shame.”

“The Lord makes him feel that he is a sinner, makes us all feel that we are sinners,” but this shame and humility “brings him to a new encounter with Jesus” and “to the joy of forgiveness,” the Pope preached.

A Provocative POST Response in Christian Charity


 

A Provocative POST Response in Christian Charity

As a FYI to sort of set up this post, I’m occasionally active on a Christian Forum; used mainly by non-catholic-Christians.

Recently I entered into a debate on “when the Sabbath” day ought to be?

In my post I attempted in the limited space permitted, to point out Christ Devine Will for One God; One Faith and One Church, giving [Mt. 15:15-19 & Eph. 2:4-8] as evidence. I spoke of “the key’s” to heavens access being entrusted to Peter.

Below is the response I received and my REPLY to it.

[QUOTE]Peter, oh yes I remember him. He was the ONLY person who was ever called Satan in the entire Bible and called that by none other than God the Son. Impressive I must say, and then you say a church was founded on him? It sounds to me like founding a church on a guy called Satan is not a good idea especially when he is a sinner just like the rest of us. I am going to stay away from that church.

This is the same Peter who wrote a whopping two books of the NT, TWO whole books, WOW. Paul wrote 13 which is almost 32% of the entire NT. Show me where Peter ever claimed to be the chief among the apostles? Where did he claim to be the number one apostle. Show me where he is called the super-apostle. Just because he is listed first in the two times where the apostles are named means nothing after all SOMEONE had to be listed first.[/QUOTE]

I can provide a biblical accounting of 50 “Peter FIRST”. Space prohibits me doing so here. May I suggest you read carefully Mt.16:

I’m duly impressed with your bible content knowledge. I fear however that it’s not supported by right understanding. Please permit me to demonstrate this with the two examples you gave.

Rom. 13:10 “The love of our neighbour worketh no evil. Love therefore is the fulfilling of the law” John 13:35 “By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one for another.” Friend; lets play nice. And I will tie this in to your Sabbath discussion.

[BIG smile here]

Very good! You do Know your bible. And I suspect you would agree with this definition of Jesus? “Jesus/ God is ALL Good things perfected.”

Your well chosen point; in the reflected light of a necessarily “Good and perfect God” prompts the necessary  question: [caps for emphasis not shouting]

Is  a Partial Truth equal In Every Way to the Entire Truth [which must be singular]? No, it is not.

When we return your passage to its original context; the clarity of Christ comment becomes more clear, and a vastly different lesson emerges. It is paraphrasing what Christ DID SAY to Satan when He; Christ was tempted in the desert.

Mt. 4:10 below. In verses 21-22 Christ had just revealed that he MUST Suffer; Die and rise again on the 3 td. Day. V.21-22 “From that time Jesus began to shew to his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the ancients and scribes and chief priests, and be put to death, and the third day rise again. And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee, this shall not be unto thee”

Peters message here is one of love and compassion. He had just proclaimed

[inspired by God the Father v.17; that Christ WAS/ IS God!] He was saying “YOUR GOD! YOU CAN CHANGE THIS” and Christ in effect tells Peter that this is why He choose to become Incarnate. 

Matt. 4:10“Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve” … Matt. 16:23 “Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men”

Matt. 16:21-22; 23 “From that time Jesus began to shew to his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the ancients and scribes and chief priests, and be put to death, and the third day rise again. And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from thee, this shall not be unto thee” v23: Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me: because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men”

John 12:46 “I am come a light into the world; that whosoever believeth in me, may not remain in darkness” John 18:37 Pilate therefore said to him: Art thou a king then? Jesus answered: Thou sayest that I am a king. For this was I born, and for this came I into the world; that I should give testimony to the truth. Every one that is of the truth, heareth my voice. John 16:28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again I leave the world, and I go to the Father.

1 Tim. 1:15 A faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into this world to save sinners, of whom I am the chief”

Romans 1:25 Jesus speaking Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen”

Acts 20: 28-30 “Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, [singular] which he hath purchased with his own blood. I know that, after my departure, ravening wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. And of your own selves shall arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Douay Rheims Bible

John 17: 12-22 “While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, [Judas] that the scripture may be fulfilled. I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil. .. Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth. [HERE JESUS GIVES HIMSELF AS THE WARRANTY OF CATHOLIC TEACHINGS ON ALL Faith & Moral issues] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me; That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, as we also are one

John 21:14-17 This is now the third time that Jesus was manifested to his disciples, [Apostles] after he was risen from the dead. When therefore they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter: Simon, lovest thou me more than these? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. He saith to him again: Simon, lovest thou me? He saith to him: Yea, Lord, thou knowest that I love thee. He saith to him: Feed my lambs. Jesus said to him the third time: Simon, son lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus said to him: Feed my sheep.

John 10:16 “And other sheep I have, that are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold and one shepherd”

Eph. 2: 20-23 “Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone

: In whom all the building, [singular] being framed together, groweth up into an holy temple in the Lord. [singular] In whom you also are built together into an habitation of God in the Spirit.”

Tying into the Sabbath debate

As I attempted to do in my previous post; it is clearly biblical and Christ desire for only one God; One set of faith believes and One church. In handing “the key’s to The KINGDOM of God”; entrusting them to Peter; our Good and Perfect God could not error. Jesus HAD TO then provide Peter with the necessary means to Govern this New one Church; which IS indicated in the unlimited Powers and Authority granted in

verse 19. The power to “bind and Loose,”  which has 2 meanings; the first of which is Power to make laws and to void laws. It was a COMMON Rabbinical & enforceable at Jewish Law granted to the “keeper of the key’s for walled in cites” [as Jerusalem was]; and this person reported ONLY to the “king.”

Devine Worship is commanded in the First Commandment

Sabbath Observance is extensively covered In Exodus chapter 16 and other places.0

Exodus 16:30And the people kept the Sabbath on the seventh day?

What some fail to acknowledge is that the “B.C” Before Christ / AD ”After Death” Calendar, used throughout the world today, did not come into existence until around 1582 [AD]. So the seventh day was in a bit of flux. What is important to God IS NOT the day of the WEEK; but the Observance a set DAY EACH WEEK; set aside for Worship and Rest.

God Bless you. May I ask are you a Baptist or Fundamentalist Christian?

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R-U dealing with satan? paybacks can be Hell!


copied from: Vatican City, May 14, 2013 / 08:01 am

(CNA/EWTN News).- Christians who buy into Satan’s temptation to live selfishly get swindled, while those who live life as a “gift” to others are immersed in love and the Church community, Pope Francis said.

“And, we must say, with Satan the payback is rotten. He always rips us off, always!” the Pope emphasized as he contrasted the kind of selfish living that the devil promotes with the generous way of living Jesus exemplified.

“When a Christian begins to isolate himself, he also insulates his consciousness from the sense of community, from a sense of the Church, and from the love that Jesus gives us,” he explained.

“Instead, the Christian who gives his life, what Jesus calls ‘lost,’ finds it and finds it in its fullness,” the Pope preached May 14 in his homily on John 15.

A group of employees from the Vatican Museums and some students of the Pontifical Portuguese College attended the 7:00 a.m. Mass in the chapel of St. Martha’s residence.

The Pope concelebrated the Mass with the Colombian Archbishop of Medellín, Ricardo Antonio Restrepo Tobón.

The Holy Father explained that wanting to live just for oneself is like Judas, who “in the end loses” his life.

“If we really want to follow Jesus, we must live life as a gift to give to others, not as a treasure to be preserved,” said Pope Francis.

The pontiff compared the path of Jesus to a path of love, while the way of Judas is one of selfishness.

“Jesus tells us today strong words, ‘no one has a stronger love than this, to lay down his life,’” he said.

“But today’s liturgy also shows us Judas, who had just the opposite attitude, and this is because he never understood the meaning of a gift,” he added.

Pope Francis noted that Judas was “off in his solitude” and that his “attitude of selfishness developed into the betrayal of Jesus

He explained that the person who loves you gives his life as a gift, but the selfish person “grows in this selfishness and becomes a traitor, but always alone.”

“Those who give their life for love are never alone and are always in the community and in the family,” Pope Francis said.

“On the other hand, he who isolates his conscience in selfishness, loses it in the end,” he stated.

Judas, the Pope pointed out, was “an idolater, attached to money.”

“This idolatry led him to isolate himself from the community, this is the drama of isolated consciousness,” he said.

Pope Francis finished his homily by invoking the Holy Spirit, asking for “a heart able to love with humility and meekness.”

He asked that the Holy Spirit “free us always” from “the way of selfishness, which eventually ends badly.”

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