Catholics on Purgatory: WHY? part 2 of 2


Catholics on Purgatory:


              What Does It Mean & Why must it exist 

part 2 of 2

Friends do not allow the sin of Presumption to mislead you into thinking these passages means “my faith in you as ‘My God’ is sufficient.” NO! That is NOT the true meaning.

Haydock’s Catholic Commentary: Verses 17-18 Ver. 18. From your vain conversation of the tradition of your fathers. St. Peter teacheth what St. Paul repeats in many places, that it was in vain for them to hope to be saved by the ceremonies and precepts of the former law, to which their forefathers had added many unnecessary and groundless traditions. They could only hope for salvation by believing in Christ, by the price of whose precious blood they were redeemed from their sins, as they had heard by the word of the gospel preached to them. His doctrine is the same with that of St. Paul, of St. James, of St. John, and of the other apostles, that to be saved it is not enough to have faith or hope in Christ, but it must be a faith joined and working by charity, obeying the law of Christ in the spirit of charity with a sincere and brotherly love of every one, without setting our hearts upon the vanities and corruptible things of this world, remembering that all flesh is as grass, or the flowers of the field, which wither and pass away in a very short time. Thus presently vanish all riches, honors, pleasures, and all the glory of this life, but the word of God and his promises will bring us to happiness which will last for ever”

All bibles teach that God’s Perfect and Divine sense of Fairness and Justice absolutely requires that sin has at least two major categories; with varying levels of culpability within each of them. “Mortal” sins are like a “mortal wound” causing a fatality to ones Soul and a total and complete breech in ones “personal relationship” with God that “faith alone” was never intended by God to restore, and is never-ever able to mend; repair or reestablish. WHY? Because its Not God’s Will. God has long ago determined that His Priest will have a role in the forgiveness of sins. This dates back at least as far as Moses and the Priestly class of Aaron and his sons. That dear friends is about 3,500 YEARS AGO!

Read John 20:19-23 and see for yourself that God HAS NOT changed His mind. Mal. 3:6For I am the Lord, and I change not”

King James Bible 1 John 5: 16-17 “If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask , and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.” Nothing is said about sins after ones Baptism or “conversion” being wiped out. Not once in the Bible can one find this expressed!

Exodus 28:1 “Take unto thee also Aaron thy brother with his sons, from among the children of Israel, that they may minister to me in the priest’ s office: Aaron, Nadab, and Abiu, Eleazar, and Ithamar”

Lev.5: 13 “Thus the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed in any one of these things, and he shall be forgiven. And the remainder shall be for the priest, as in the cereal offering.” … Lev.6:7 “and the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD, and he shall be forgiven for any of the things which one may do and thereby become guilty.”

Why God’s Perfect Wisdom Long Commanded using Priest in the forgiveness of sins?

Because God Loves us Perfectly and desires that we be “at peace” within ourselves and thus be more inclined to love Him more perfectly in return. Because of the actions of the Old Testament priest AND the now expanded Power; Authority and Actions of Christ Himself entrusted to and Through His New Testament; New Covenant Catholic Priest [and those others having and maintaining Direct Apostolic Succession] to whom ALL Seven of the Sacraments are given; the actions of the Priest enables one to know with absolute certainty; not just hoping, based on some man-made teaching; but God’s very Own Words, Promise  and Authority

[John 17:15-19] that one sins ARE Forgiven when His priest say so. [John 20;19-23].

Hebrews 5:1 “For every high priest taken from among men, is ordained for men in the things that appertain to God, that he may offer up gifts and sacrifices for sins”

1st John.1 Verses 8 to 10: “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 “If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.

John.20 Verses 20 to 23 ” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them [His Apostles] again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained”

King James Bible “21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit , they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain , they are retained” It say’s the SAME thing. The difference lies in how protestants choose to translate and understand it. BUT Jesus Christ our Perfect God once again is so precise and clear in His language that one must DENY God’s being “perfect” and actually prevaricate to conclude anything but the very obvious intent based on historical evidence and  long time practice.

[4] The meaning, Reasons and Purpose of Human Suffering

Take Up your Cross and Follow Me

Phil.2: 8 “And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross Luke.9 :23 And he said to all, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Mark.8: 34 And he called to him the multitude with his disciples, and said to them, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. Luke.9: 23 And he said to all, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. Luke.14: 7 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” [Means: CANNOT attain Heaven].

Like an avalanche; one Protestant misunderstanding leads to another, and another and another. It’s ALL down hill from the first error which leads necessarily to the seemingly unending and ever-growing issues and problems created by mortal mans attempt to compete with God’s Divine and Perfect Will and plan for: One God, with One set of Faith beliefs in His one Church. To be clear this is usurpation of Sovereign Rights, which in turn explain why they do not possess many “faith-truths” and struggle greatly if and when they seek to uncover the actual truth of God’s Words and teachings.

Suffering at its root has God either as the direct cause or at least its occurrence is with God’s permission. Always and every time for His POSSIBLE Glory and our own possible sanctification with the aim of leading us closer to Him, both in the present time and for eternity.

This idea that “ones faith alone” finds favor and approval from God lacks once again a  full understanding of God’s Nature and what in Fairness and Justice, absolutely must flow from it. Seeking a “free-ride” is human nature. It’s why sinning is easier and more enjoyable than not sinning. And it’s Satan’s foundation for every other lie he postulates.

Every Covenant offered by God in the Old Testament was conditional on complete Obedience to the Commandments, laws and Mandates attached to them. Each for its compliance required a degree of “self-giving” and sacrifice. This continues under the New Covenant as well. Nothing less ought to be expected.

Suffering holds a high potential for Gods Grace when it is accepted as His Will, and Offered up to Him either for ourselves, or even for others. That is why suffering exist. Certainly sin is the “natural birth parents” of death, sickness, pain, misery and all suffering. But God OFFERS man an opportunity to make something good out of something evil, which he alone is able to do. But, as is most often the case; God demands humanities cooperation with Him for this to take place.

This critical lesson seems to be lost on the OSAS, “my faith only” crowd. Because God Suffered so intensely; prudence ought to dictate that man too MUST pay a price for salvation. There is very much evidence of this reality throughout both testaments of the bible.

One has to be of the mindset that Christ Jesus is a more loving and merciful God under His new Covenant than He was under the Old Covenants. IMPOSSIBLE!  One could seem to however build “a case” [which would too be an impossibility] that just the opposite is true because under the Old Covenants sins WERE forgiven and covered over without the necessary condition of Confession to His Priest and their Permission and Absolution before ANY sins are forgiven which is God’s clearly stated expatiation in the New Covenant [as the NORM]. [John 20:19-23]

Lev.16: 8-9, 21 “and Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats, one lot for the LORD and the other lot for Aza’zel. .. And Aaron shall present the goat on which the lot fell for the LORD, and offer it as a sin offering;  …and Aaron [the priest] shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the people of Israel, and all their transgressions, all their sins; and he shall put them upon the head of the goat, and send him away into the wilderness by the hand of a man who is in readiness.” [“the origin of the “escape goat“] And their sins were forgiven.

So why could God do it then; but not now?

That certainly is the right question to ask. It has to do directly with God’s very Nature and how it relates directly to sin forgiveness. By absolutely necessity God’s understanding of Fair and Just actions on his part must find application under His new Covenant. It has to do with them being judged based only on the “man added laws” as well as the commandments,” while we NOW are judged Under Grace enabling us to obey better and more fully understand who and what God is, and what God commands of us as a direct result of GRACE. It’s what God CHOOSES to do, verses what God has the power to do, and or; “could do” but does not.

Romans 6:14 “For sin shall not have dominion over you; for you are not [no-longer only] under the law, but under grace“.

John 1:17 “For the law was given by Moses; grace and truth came by Jesus Christ

Rom.5:1-2 “Therefore, since we are justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have obtained access to this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in our hope of sharing the glory of God.

Mt. 25: 27-29 “Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him, and give it to him who has the ten talents. … For to every one who has will more be given, [more] and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away”

Divine Justice will, because God MUST Judge us all based not on what we know. Not on what we choose to accept and believe; but ONLY on what God makes possible for us to know, accept, obey and live.

Luke.5 :17 to 26 “ On one of those days, as he was teaching, there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come from every village of Galilee and Judea and from Jerusalem; and the power of the Lord was with him to heal. And behold, men were bringing on a bed a man who was paralyzed, and they sought to bring him in and lay him before Jesus; but finding no way to bring him in, because of the crowd, they went up on the roof and let him down with his bed through the tiles into the midst before Jesus. And when he saw their faith he said, “Man, your sins are forgiven you.” And the scribes and the Pharisees began to question, saying, “Who is this that speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God only?” When Jesus perceived their questionings, he answered them, “Why do you question in your hearts? Which is easier, to say, `Your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, `Rise and walk’?  But that you may know that the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins” — he said to the man who was paralyzed — “I say to you, rise, take up your bed and go home.”

This very Power and Authority is what God passes on to His Apostles and by His Mandate to “teach the entire world what I taught to YOU”

[cf. Mt. 28:18-20], commanded Succession; to today’s catholic church [s] and those others with Direct Apostolic Succession only. These passages both affirm and confirm this very fact.

John 17:18 -20 “As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world

. And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.  And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me”

John 20:21-23  “He [Christ-Jesus] said therefore to them [Exclusively to His Apostles] again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.”

Some information on the common “Nature of ALL sins”

You may be surprised to discover that ALL sins have a public nature? How so, and what does it matter? This fact dear friends is the explanation for God’s Justification for Purgatory.

Both “venial” [lesser sins], and “Mortal” unto spiritual death sins, create a “public obligation” which causes God who must be Perfect to be literally unable to accept any Soul into His presence which too is not perfect, and therefore demands repayment in full.

Lev.22: 21“And when any one offers a sacrifice of peace offerings to the LORD, to fulfill a vow or as a freewill offering, from the herd or from the flock, to be accepted it must be perfect; there shall be no blemish in it.”

Rev. 21: 27 But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” [Made perfect]

Mt. 5: 26 “truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.”

Matt.5: 48“You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”

Heb. 2: 10 “For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering.”

1 Cor. 3: 13-14 “each man’s work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.  If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, [Purgatory] though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

Here are some examples that may help clarify this reality?

Adultery; abortions, theft, lying, slander, greed, anger, failing to Worship God weekly as He commands, swearing, lusting, and every other sin effects others besides ourselves. Even if we are unaware of this fact. This then holds the possibility of scandal, and could even assist or move someone to sin similarly. Because God is Perfect, so too MUST God’s sense of Fairness be Perfect, and His Judgment naturally follows suit.

This unseen, and perhaps even unknown debt makes our Souls imperfect and must be corrected before entering into the Beatific Vision. And because many die before having repaid this necessary debt, God designed a way to save a great many additional Souls who otherwise would be unfit and  unsuited to enter into Gods Presence. So Purgatory flows directly from God’s Mercy and through His love for us.

God’s Plan for the Living to repay these debts.

Perhaps you have heard of “Indulgences” It’s the issue Martin Luther rightly took exception with on how they were at his time, being misused. We cover this topic in detail in a separate lesson so I’ll be brief here.

Works by themselves

; no matter how many or how good and great they are, will NOT  get anyone into heaven. Yet they do have merit; and do have a specific redeeming value to them and ARE to be practiced as One of the Conditions for Salvation of anyone mature enough to know and to choose to sin. This of issue of “Good-Works” is not understood and even ignored as a Solid Biblical Teaching by Protestants accepting OSAS and “by MY faith alone” teachings. … Are not “Good Works” following both the example Of Christ and his Command to TEACH ALL WHAT I TAUGHT YOU?

[cf. Mt. 28;18-20] James 2:14-20 “What shall it profit, my brethren, if a man say he hath faith, but hath not works? Shall faith be able to save him? And if a brother or sister be naked, and want daily food: And one of you say to them: Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; yet give them not those things that are necessary for the body, what shall it profit? So faith also, if it have not works, is dead in itself. But some man will say: Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without works; and I will shew thee, by works, my faith. Thou believest that there is one God. Thou dost well: the devils also believe and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Heb.6: 10 “For God is not so unjust as to overlook your work and the love which you showed for his sake in serving the saints, as you still do.”

This issue is clearly and so evidently tied to Gods GREAT Commandment:

John 13:34“A new commandment I give unto you: That you love one another, as I have loved you, that you also love one another” that its merits seem to be impossible to ignore. Every good deed, every act of charity is a partial “pay-back” of the debt we incur by our sinful actions. Further, the Church; fully empowered by Christ to do so has modeled Christ Mercy and Love and permits “Indulgences” to ALSO have a signifient role [if we allow it]. Indulgences take to specifically-conditional forms. 1. A partial payback of this debt and 2. A total repayment of this debt, until we sin again.

The Sacrament of Catholic Confession: What it does and DOES NOT do.

Simply put there is NO SIN that cannot, and will-not be forgiven with TRUE repentance, contrition and a firm commitment to TRY with God’s grace not to sin in the same manner again; through the Sacrament of Known Forgiveness.

True sorrow

True repentance’

A Firm commitment to avoid the near occasion of this sin in the future

And a complete Confession of [at least] ALL Mortal sins; venial sins optional and a good idea and source of additional grace from God TO a Priest as Chosen and empowered by Christ Himself.

WILL result in ALL of them being completely Forgiven by God through His Catholic priest absolution and petition on our behalf.

While ALL confessed sins meeting this criteria ARE forgiven and forgotten by God; the “latent effects;” the necessary payback created by them remain and too must be expunged to make ones Soul; “perfect.” And that my friends is the role of Purgatory for ALL who die “in the State of God’s Grace”, without any unconfessed or unforgiven Mortal sins on their souls.

Protestant ought to be very concerned about this as they seen clearly to be in violation of the first and often, the second Commandment:

Exo. 20: 1″ And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. “You shall have no other gods before me.”

By virtue of having a competing faith; this is exactly what they are doing

. There is neither rime nor reason to hold that our perfect God waited for Luther and other Mortal men to make known His singular truths known to us. 

2 “Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day” [demands church attendance weekly]













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