a New Series on Apologetics Lesson #3


 

 

 

A New Apologetics Series 2013

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Lesson #3

Q11. Is Baptism an act of SOVEREIGN GRACE performed by God or is it an act of righteousness on man’s part? Matt. 3:15; Titus 3:5.

Matthew 3:15 [I ADDED VERSE 16 TO MAKE A POINT] And Jesus answering, said to him: Suffer it to be so now. For so it becometh us to fulfill all justice. Then he suffered him. [16] And Jesus being baptized, forthwith came out of the water: and lo, the heavens were opened to him: and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon him.

Titus 3:5 “Not by the works of justice, which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us, by the laver of regeneration, and renovation of the Holy Ghost”

So now we can see this person believes in “instant, and immediate Justification and forgiveness of sin” ignoring Mt. 3:16 above , Mt. 28:19 and John 3:5.

Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. “ 

Acts Of Apostles 2:38 “But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of [ALL YOUR EXISTING SINS] your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost”

This my friends is precisely why I personally FEAR for the souls of non-catholic-Christians. God will, because God MUST judge ALL of us based on what we are able to know; on what God makes possible for us to know. What are the odds that Protestant “Bible readers”  in looking for John 3:16 have not also read John 3:5?

In an effort to better understand this question, I went on a search for the protestant meaning[s] “of Grace.” Here’s some of what I found.

http://www.patheos.com/Library/Methodist/Beliefs/Sacred-narratives.html

Wesley distinguished three different types of grace: prevenient, justifying, and sanctifying grace….Prevenient grace is always present to everyone, making it possible for all to know of God’s love. It is in part up to each person to respond to this love. If individuals accept God’s love they are given justifying grace; that is, by God’s grace their sins are forgiven. On the issue of justification (forgiveness) by God’s grace alone, without merit on our part, Wesley agrees completely with the three major reformers. Finally, with justifying grace that forgives your sins comes sanctifying grace, which (with God’s help) makes it possible to live a life that approaches and can realize sinless perfection. End Quote 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grace_(Christianity) LOTS of information on this site

“In Christian theology, grace has been defined as “the love and mercy given to us by God because God desires us to have it, not because of anything we have done to earn it”,[1] “the condescension or benevolence shown by God toward the human race”.[2] It is understood by Christians to be a spontaneous gift from God to man – “generous, free and totally unexpected and undeserved”[3] – that takes the form of divine favor, love and clemency.” End Quote

I could only find references to a church organization; but no definition of “SOVEREIGN GRACE “ itself.

Here as a FYI is the Definition of “Grace” from Father Hardon’s Catholic Dictionary

http://www.therealpresence.org/dictionary/adict.htm

GRACE.

In biblical language the condescension or benevolence (Greek charis) shown by God toward the human race; it is also the unmerited gift proceeding from this benevolent disposition. Grace, therefore, is a totally gratuitous gift on which man has absolutely no claim. Where on occasion the Scriptures speak of grace as pleasing charm or thanks for favors received, this is a derived and not primary use of the term.

As the Church has come to explain the meaning of grace, it refers to something more than the gifts of nature, such as creation or the blessings of bodily health. Grace is the supernatural gift that God, of his free benevolence, bestows on rational creatures for their eternal salvation. The gifts of grace are essentially supernatural. They surpass the being, powers, and claims of created nature, namely sanctifying grace, the infused virtues, the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and actual grace. They are the indispensable means necessary to reach the beatific vision. In a secondary sense, grace also includes such blessings as the miraculous gifts of prophecy or healing, or the preternatural gifts of freedom from concupiscence.

The essence of grace, properly so called, is its gratuity, since no creature has a right to the beatific vision, and its finality or purpose is to lead one to eternal life. (Etym. Latin gratia, favor; a gift freely given.) See also ACTUAL GRACE, EFFICACIOUS GRACE, HABITUAL GRACE, JUSTIFYING GRACE, SACRAMENTAL GRACE, SANCTIFYING GRACE, SUFFICIENT GRACE.” End Quote

Here by comparison is the definition of Justifying Grace: ”

JUSTIFYING GRACE. The grace by which a person is restored to God’s friendship, either for the first time, as in baptism [through the sacrament of] , or after baptism, as in the sacrament of penance. End Quote Grace first must be freely offered by God; then accepted and rightly applied by man.

I have included Fr. Hardon’s site for those who wish to learn more about these different forms of grace. BUT, be assured that NONE of them work in the manner Wesley and others claim they do; nor can they provide biblical evidence that they do. So what we have here is ones personal opinion, based on improper understanding of culled bible passages; compared to the position of the CC that is alone guided, guarded, and protected BOTH by the Holy Spirit John 20:21-22, and verse 23 actually explains how God actually WILL and DOES forgive sin, and only the CC has Jesus Himself in as warranty of these truths

. John 17:15-19

So the answer to the Question is sort-of Both.

Baptism is an essential Grace [although not in the form of  “sovereign grace“ except in the sense that All Grace is From our Sovereign God], and is an absolutely necessary element of the normal path to Salvation, one that man must freely agree to participate in himself; or through others seeking such on ones behalf if they have not yet attained the “age of reason.”

Jn. 3:5

Q12 . Were you redeemed by the precious waters of Baptism or by the precious BLOOD of Jesus Christ? I Peter 1 :18,19.

1 Peter 1: 18-19 “Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things as gold or silver, from your vain conversation of the tradition of your fathers: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb unspotted and undefiled”

Behind this errant understanding is a critical biblical misunderstanding which leads here to a totally incorrect faith- belief conclusion. Protestants as a group [although some exceptions may exist?], tend  to interchange the biblical terms of “redemption” and “salvation”  as having identical meanings. They DO NOT. The Merriam Webster dictionary as well as Father Hardon’s C D, note subtle but critically important differences.

“Redemption” makes reference to the forgiveness of Only One sin: The “Original Sins” of Adam and Eve, and this can only be removed by one of the three forms of Baptism. Water in the Holy Spirit being the Norm Mt.28:19-20; by Blood as a martyr for Christ; or by Desire, when neither the Norm, or Martyrdom, are present, and Desire is the only possibility available. Each of the secondary forms is conditional. God’s call. It is not, and cannot lead to “Justification” unless one is Baptized and then dies before committing ANY sin at all. Because many are Baptized as babies or infants; Baptism will not protect them once they attain the “age of reason.”

Psalms 50:7“For behold I was conceived in iniquities; and in sins did my mother conceive me.”

ACTS 22: 16 “And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.”

“Salvation” on the other hand; does require the ACTUAL forgiveness of all sins committed after Baptism, in the precise manner Jesus Christ Personally Ordains. Forgiveness of our sins  becomes a POSSIBILTY ONLY because Christ Passion has made it so conditionally; which is THROUGH the Catholic Sacrament of “Known Forgiveness”; Confession of sins to a Catholic Priest. John 20: 21-23 affirms this and is further supported by 1 John 1: 6-10; and on “Mortal sin”; 1 John 5:16-17

[RSV Bible] 1John.1 Verses 8 to 10 “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”

1John.5 Verses 16 to 17 “If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, [“a sin unto spiritual-death] he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin,  but there is sin which is not mortal. [“Venial sin”]

John.20 Verses 20 to 23 ” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them,

“Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained”

[CD] REDEMPTION.

The salvation of humanity by Jesus Christ. Literally, to redeem means to free or buy back. Humanity was held captive in that it was enslaved by sin. Since the devil overcame human beings [Adam and Eve] by inducing them to sin, they were said to be in bondage to the devil. Moreover, the human race was held captive as to a debt of punishment, to the payment of which it was bound by divine justice.

On all these counts, the Passion of Christ was sufficient and superabundant satisfaction for human guilt and the consequent debt of punishment. His Passion was a kind of price or ransom that paid the cost of freeing humanity from both obligations. Christ rendered satisfaction, not by giving money, but by spending what was of the highest value. He gave himself, and therefore his Passion is called humanity’s Redemption. (Etym. Latin redemptio, a buying back, ransoming, redemption.) End Quote

[Catholic Dict. ] SALVATION.

In biblical language the deliverance from straitened circumstances or oppression by some evil to a state of freedom and security. As sin is the greatest evil, salvation is mainly liberation from sin and its consequences. This can be deliverance by way of preservation, or by offering the means for being delivered, or by removing the oppressive evil or difficulty, or by rewarding the effort spent in co-operating with grace in order to be delivered. All four aspects of salvation are found in the Scriptures and are taught by the Church. (Etym. Latin salvare, to save.) End Quote

Merriam Websters

Definition of REDEEM

1: a: to buy back : repurchase

b: to get or win back

2:: to free from what distresses or harms: as

a: to free from captivity by payment of ransom

b: to extricate from or help to overcome something detrimental

c: to release from blame or debt : clear

d: to free from the consequences of sin

Definition of SALVATION

1:a: deliverance from the power and effects of sin

b: the agent or means that effects salvation

Each of these Teachings contradict the concept held on the issue of salvation by Faith through Imputed Justification; which DENY God His RIGHT to Judge; and man to be Judged based on his own life choices. ALL if them

Rom. 2:6 “Who will render to every man according to his works.”

Rev. 20:12 “And I saw the dead, great and small, standing in the presence of the throne, and the books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged by those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 

Numbers 18:23 But only the sons of Levi may serve me in the tabernacle, and bear the sins of the people. It shall be an everlasting ordinance in your generations”…

Lev.6:7 and the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD, and he shall be forgiven for any of the things which one may do and thereby become guilty.”  

2 Kings 14:6 “…. saying: The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: but every man shall die for his own sins” 

Psalms 88:33 “I will visit their iniquities with a rod: and their sins with stripes” 

Ezeckiel 18:21 “But if the wicked do penance for all his sins which he hath committed, and keep all my commandments, and do judgment, and justice, living he shall live, and shall not die” 

Mark 11:26But if you will not forgive, neither will your Father that is in heaven, forgive you your sins”  

Hebrews 5: 1-4 For every high priest taken from among men, is ordained for men in the things that appertain to God, that he may offer up gifts and sacrifices for sins: Who can have compassion on them that are ignorant and that err: because he himself also is compassed with infirmity. And therefore he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sin.  Neither doth any man take the honor to himself, but he that is called by God, as Aaron was.”

John 15:16 “You have not chosen me: but I have chosen you; and have appointed you, that you should go, and should bring forth fruit; and your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you“. 

1 John 1:9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity”

John 20:21-23  “He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.  Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained”

Matthew 19:17 “….But if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments”

Q13 . If Baptism LITERALLY puts one IN CHRIST, What act LITERALLY puts CHRIST in You? 2 Cor. 13:5; Col. 1:27; Rom. 3:24,25.

2 Cor. 13:5 “Try your own selves if you be in the faith; prove ye yourselves. Know you not your own selves, that Christ Jesus is in you, unless perhaps you be reprobates?”

Strange this. Here “reprobates” means “in-sin” or un-believing. I THOUGHT THEY COUDN”T SIN? And  here “In Christ” means to be made a “child of Christ and His Church.”

that Christ Jesus is in you,”

Actually means the polar-opposite. That “one be In Jesus Christ.” Meaning that one knows and believes Fully who Christ is; hears all of His teachings and Obeys them without prejudice.

Rom. 3:24-25 “Being justified freely by his grace, through the redemption, that is in Christ Jesus, Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins” [Meaning here “Original Sin!”]

Once again look at the very next verse [26] “Through the forbearance of God, for the shewing of his justice in this time; that he himself may be just, and the justifier of him, who is of the faith of Jesus ChristThis means to know, accept and live ALL that the bible and Christ Teaches; not just “culled components.”

To the second part of the question; “What act LITERALLY puts CHRIST in You?”; the author presumes faith; and in that the Trinity is  Father, Son [Jesus] and the Holy Spirit, we can see some truth in this. BUT ONLY Catholics [and the Eastern churches in Schism] KNOW the reality of this question. ONLY IN CATHOLIC HOLY COMMUION CAN ONE HAVE JESUS CHRIST LITERALLY WITH In them!  Amen!

Q14. Did Jesus Christ know the plan of Salvation? John 14:6.

John 14:6 “Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.” 

Luke 24:46 “And he said to them: Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise again from the dead, the third day” 

Acts Of Apostles 17:3 “Declaring and insinuating that the Christ was to suffer, and to rise again from the dead; and that this is Jesus Christ, whom I preach to you” 

Mark 9:11 “Who answering, said to them: Elias, when he shall come first, shall restore all things; and as it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things and be despised”

Yes, of course He did.

Q15. Did Christ at any time or place personally tell a sinner to be baptized FOR or In ORDER to the Remission of Sin? If so WHEN and WHERE?

Is there a conscience attempt here by the author of the Questions to deceive those being asked these things???

John 20:29-31 “Jesus saith to him: Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and have believed. Many other signs also did Jesus in the sight of his disciples, which are not written in this book. But these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God: and that believing, you may have life in his name.”

John 21:24-25 “This is that disciple who giveth testimony of these things, and hath written these things; and we know that his testimony is true. But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.”

Matthew 28:18-20  “And Jesus coming, spoke to them, saying: All power is given to me in heaven and in earth. Going therefore, teach ye [ONLY to His Apostles and through them His CC] all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world.”  [Catholic Holy Communion]

John 3:5 “Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”  

Mark 16:16He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.” 

Acts Of Apostles 2:41 “They therefore that received his word, were baptized; and there were added in that day about three thousand souls” 

Acts Of Apostles 22:16 “And now why tarriest thou? Rise up, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, invoking his name”

End of Lesson #3

 

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